AccuTerm 2K on Linux

#51

There are however, two populations that I face. One is somewhat in the
control of the deployer, the real application users. It's quite reasonable
to say that, for the app to work, you need these plugins or whatever.

However, part of the application is now supposed to be accessible by anyone
on the web. So we have to be as thin as possible. I think it's reasonable to
say certain features of the application may not work in all circumstances,
but if they show a message instead of some garbage error, people should
accept it

I absolutely agree I wouldn't install an applet to casually browse a page.I
know how I'd feel if even my bank website tells me I have to have widgetX to
access my account. I won't do it, I'd call them and complain.

Chandru

"Luke Webber" <luke (AT) webber (DOT) com.au> wrote

Quote:

Tony Gravagno wrote:
Luke Webber <luke (AT) webber (DOT) com.au> wrote:

But I suppose you're right about one thing-if you use an applet, it
would work on all browsers? Or not? If not, what's the advantage? If so,
I guess I should look into it.

Yes, the advantage is that they work on all browsers. The disadvantage is
that Microsoft shipped a lot of copies of IE with no JVM, so any client without
Java needs to download it. The other disadvantage is that Microsoft also shipped
a lot of copies of IE with their own, ageing JVM. I'm not sure which is
worse, no Java or Microsoft Java.

Give me a break. MS Java is v1.4.x of the Sun JVM.

That's 1.1.4.

I don't like it
and try not to use it as much as possible, but it's either there or
it's easy to get.

It's either there or it's /not/ so easy to get. It's easier to get the Sun
JVM these days, because Microsoft have made changes. or a while there the Microsoft JVM
download was withdrawn entirely.

(Use Sun whenever possible!) In an app, you let
the browser detect if there is a Java, which level it's at, and then
you either tell the user to upgrade or you support what's there - just
like with any app. If you want to use Java, do what everyone else
does, provide a link to the Sun download page, say "click here" to
install, etc. The typical Jane Internet user will download and
install all sorts of crap on to their systems, it's not unreasonable
to ask them to install Java. And if they don't have the ability to
install Java of all things then give them a plain browser-independent
web page and skip the glitz entirely. People waste entirely too much
time the absolute lowest common denominator.

I think the best use of applets is for rich GUIs for clients using a
service that they actually need. It's a mist to bung applets into web
pages that are going to be hit by a lot of casual drop-ins, because they
/won't/ install a plugin just to view your site. I know I wouldn't.

Luke

#52

That artist seems to be bugging me a lot, particularly at home...oh, she's
the wife.

But the point is that the type of thing I'm doing on this is *not*
complicated, and should *not* require server intervention. Creating a
website with server-side anything is well beyond the maintenance
capabilities of a non-programmer; maintaining what I have written is
possibly within. And as for the thinking, two points: I am actually enjoying
the challenge (tho' you might not know it if you heard my comments as I
work) and secondly, it is somewhat useful for when the RAD I'm really
working on goes cross-browser.

Chandru

"Tony Gravagno" <g6q3x9lu53001 (AT) sneakemail (DOT) com.invalid> wrote

Quote:

"murthi" <c_xyz_murthi (AT) seeing_xyz_green (DOT) net> wrote:
Didn't make myself clear. This is an artist's website, no server, no
database, just a set of pages with "thumbnails"...
... I have now spent 19 hours on finally getting
it to work on 5 browsers. Wish someone were paying.

Some artist is paying $5 per month for a website so that you can spend
19 hours of your time writing client-side code that's cross-browswer
compatible. Chandru, you're brighter than this but maybe you just
need to be reminded. (I think many of us get caught thinking inside
the box when we let end-users define the box dimensions for us.)
Don't cater to someone who wants everything from you on a zero budget.
If the task is to get a dynamic site then the solution is at least to
have some dynamics on the web server. Almost every web host on the
planet supports Perl and PHP, maybe with free MySQL. The Win32 hosts
cost much less than they used to and they support ASP, ASP.NET, SQL
Server, etc. These services are not expensive, as little as $8/month
for an excellent *nix/BSD host or maybe $15/month for Win32. I
wouldn't be surprised at all if your artist friend is paying a lot
more and utilizing none of the features available...

Good luck.
T

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