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Dennis Santoro
 
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Default Re: Paradox Form Limitations - 06-27-2003 , 12:34 PM






I don't know if P10 can do better than p7. I've never bumped up against an
object limit in P7. But a cheap experiment (compared to redevelopment) would be
to buy a copy of P10 (get an upgrade price), install, copy the FSL, resave the
copy in 10 and then redeliver in 10 and see if you can run it. If so, then try
adding or modifying the now P10 fsl and see what happens.

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Tony McGuire
 
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Default Re: Paradox Form Limitations - 06-27-2003 , 12:35 PM







I think Corel has a '30 day trial' version. They used to, at least.

Course, their site kinda got 'broke' when they revamped after release
wp2003.

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Liz
 
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Default Re: Paradox Form Limitations - 06-28-2003 , 10:34 AM



Ken,

You're right, the new download doesn't appear to have P11 in it
(though it could just be hidden - did you do a custom install?).

That copy of P8 you chucked had everything you needed, it's just that
no one went to settings > developer preferences and set the ObjectPAL
level to advanced and turn on developer menus. (Sorry you had to find
out too late.)

I would think P10 would be better than P7-16 for what you need, but
I'm not sure whether it'd be better than P7-32. I would think the OS
might make a difference (use 2K, IMO).

Finally, have you considered faking the 1-form look? make all those
notetabs empty, make several forms with no borders, open them all when
the main one opens, but all are hidden except the one which represents
the default tab. Positioning relative to the tab and hiding/showing
should be fairly simple....

Each individual form should run better at that point, I would think.
And done right, the users really wouldn't be able to tell.

Liz


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Thanks for your suggestions Dennis & Tony,

Unfortunately the Corel WP Office trial download doesn't include Paradox 10.
The Support section of the Corel web site gives the impression I'll need to
upgrade to a Corel version of Paradox and register it before I can pester
them about this issue, and no doubt they'll recommend upgrading anyway. I
bought an upgrade copy of Paradox 8 soon after Corel released it, but threw
it away in dispair after the P7 programmers couldn't find a bunch of
essential methods and what-nots to make things work in the new version.

As an occasional visitor to this newsgroup I've spotted a few comments that
have caused me to hesitate when considering looking at P10 eg "develop in P9
wherever possible". I also recall a pithy comment by (?)Tony that ran
something like "if you develop an application in Paradox be prepared to
support it forever". In my case this applies to the project
instigator/designer/manager now that the software has been stable for
several years and the developers have moved on. So, not being a Paradox
developer myself, and being severely under-employed in my profession
(geology), I was hoping someone might have struck this problem before and I
could avoid buying the whole WP Office Suite Pro Edition just on the
off-chance it might provide a way forward. I guess I need to check whether
the users are willing to support a "suck it and see" approach, get P10, and
start stacking extra objects on the form as Dennis suggests. Hopefully P10
is still recognisable to a part-time P7 user.

Thanks again,

Ken


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Veronica Loell
 
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Default Re: Paradox Form Limitations - 06-28-2003 , 11:27 AM



K+ wrote:
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Hi,

[...]
into the machine faster. They'd prefer to flatten ALL the functionality
onto one monster form. Consequently, the object count on the main form has
[...]

I think that you would be better off with a different approach (like
what Liz suggested), first off you can control windows quite well in
paradox (I use 9 at the moment but it should not matter).

Instead of having 1 form and consequently 1 window, you could have
several windows with no frames "glued" together by positioning the
windows. I work exclusivle with dialog (non-modal) windows at the moment
and I also hide the main application-window. This gives you sort of a
puzzle-box quality.

Think like html-frames, and do dialog-style-windows that you position
the way you want to. As it sounds it would not be a problem to keep your
application in a constant place on the screen? Then you can prevent the
users from moving any of the windows and hence get a 1 form-look, using
as many forms as you like and need. I'll be happy to explain more if you
are interested. I went from P5 to P8 so can't say for sure about the
windowing stuff in P7 (or in 5 and 8 as I have only started using this
approach since I have run with P9), but I would think the main
functionality is the same.

- Veronica




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K+
 
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Default Re: Paradox Form Limitations - 06-29-2003 , 11:36 AM



Quote:
I think that you would be better off with a different approach (like
what Liz suggested), first off you can control windows quite well in
paradox (I use 9 at the moment but it should not matter).

Instead of having 1 form and consequently 1 window, you could have
several windows with no frames "glued" together by positioning the
windows.
Thanks Liz & Veronica - your thoughts "outside the square" are certainly
worth a try. It might be tricky because there's a lot of interaction betwen
objects on the notepad and objects elsewhere on the form. The main form is
permanently maximized, so anchoring other forms should be straightforward..
I have to go "bush" for a week or so tomorrow so it may be a fortnight
before I can report back on the outcome.

Re P8 ...ouch (rummage, rummage!).

I'm currently in the process of moving from Win98 to Win2K now that machines
with pen drivers are available, but I still experience a few problems with
display of some objects despite setting application compatibility tool to
NT4, tweaking video display settings, etc. I may be back to pester the cdp
group about that after I've had a chance to wrestled with it a bit more.

Cheers,

Ken





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