Publishing data to the web

#21

Doug Kanter wrote:

Quote:

I guess my point was rather obscure. Someone said that Paradox could be used
to publish data to the web. My first thought was "Where would one actually buy
the latest version, since Corel doesn't *seem* to want to sell it?" That led
to my comment about Corel.

OK.. but, as Tony said, you usually don't want the latest, because nobody here
supports it.. because nobody here uses it.. because of Corel (g)

Quote:

I have no intention of trying to use 3.5 or 4.x DOS versions for this project.

I'm assuming that the data is the same data that you get thru PdoxDOS.. if so,
then my comment about locks applies..

Quote:

3.5 still exists on my machine because frankly, I like the script debugging
better than 4.x.

huh?.. it's the same stupid one-line debugger that's been there since version
one.. since you never went to 4.5, you never saw the 4.5 debugger that the rest
of us have been using for the past 12 years.. the only person suffering is
*you*..

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Basically, no matter which way I turn, there's a brick wall. You know the
saying about walking a mile in someone's shoes?

yeah, but it doesn't apply.. I doubt that you'd find anyone else here that was
willing to put up with the stuff you keep telling us about.. or even find anyone
willing to offer any sympathy because you *do* put up with it..

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#22

Doug Kanter wrote:

Quote:

I don't mind buying it from Steve. He's just being mean to me today. I think
he needs to be pantsed and thrown out in the snow for an hour or two. :-)

I'm not just mean to you.. I'm mean to everyone..

--
Steven Green - Waldorf Maryland USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales - Corel CTech Paradox
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#23

"Steven Green" <greens (AT) diamondsg (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

I guess my point was rather obscure. Someone said that Paradox could be
used
to publish data to the web. My first thought was "Where would one
actually buy
the latest version, since Corel doesn't *seem* to want to sell it?" That
led
to my comment about Corel.

OK.. but, as Tony said, you usually don't want the latest, because nobody
here
supports it.. because nobody here uses it.. because of Corel (g)

That's reasonable.

Quote:

I have no intention of trying to use 3.5 or 4.x DOS versions for this
project.

I'm assuming that the data is the same data that you get thru PdoxDOS.. if
so,
then my comment about locks applies..

Some old data will move to the new app, but not the exact same tables. I've
read your warnings, Steve.

Quote:

3.5 still exists on my machine because frankly, I like the script
debugging
better than 4.x.

huh?.. it's the same stupid one-line debugger that's been there since
version
one.. since you never went to 4.5, you never saw the 4.5 debugger that the
rest
of us have been using for the past 12 years.. the only person suffering is
*you*..

Last time I tried the 4.5 debugger, it kept the data in front of the debug
window. I have no mouse capability in Pdox/DOS windows, so I can't rearrange
the windows unless I use keystrokes which I wrote down once, but misplaced.
I use the debugger about once a year at this point. It simply hasn't been
worth the trouble to even dig the books out of the box in the basement, or
find the slip of paper where I wrote down the keystrokes.

Quote:

Basically, no matter which way I turn, there's a brick wall. You know the
saying about walking a mile in someone's shoes?

yeah, but it doesn't apply.. I doubt that you'd find anyone else here that
was
willing to put up with the stuff you keep telling us about.. or even find
anyone
willing to offer any sympathy because you *do* put up with it..

The situation is unchangeable until one particular person dies. The rest of
the work's pretty enjoyable. As far as the computer work, I've gradually
begun tossing problems back into the owner's lap and reminding her of the
way things are:

1) You've been told how to fix the problem.
2) The fix is virtually free.
3) Since you've chosen not to apply the fix, you must want things to be as
bad as they are. When users call me with problems, I'll be sending them to
you.

#24

Quote:

OK.. but, as Tony said, you usually don't want the latest, because nobody
here
supports it.. because nobody here uses it.. because of Corel (g)

FWIW Bertil is updating his buglist to reflects what is going on in 11. The
latest SP from Corel was for 11. Code wise everything is exactly the same in
11 as 10 (which is used by several) so if Doug would by version 11 he
wouldn't be without support from this group me thinks.

Anders

#25

Doug Kanter wrote:

Quote:

Last time I tried the 4.5 debugger, it kept the data in front of the debug
window.

Ctrl-U to go from the debugger to the workspace.. Alt-F10 to get back to the
debugger..

Quote:

I have no mouse capability in Pdox/DOS windows

that's because you're stuck in Compatible Mode.. you also don't have the
debugger, dialog boxes, memo fields, pulldown menus, file selection boxes that
let you go up and down the subdirectory trail, and a ton of other stuff.. when
they made Compatible Mode, I don't think they intended for people to stay there
for over a decade (g)

Quote:

The situation is unchangeable until one particular person dies.

then "death to smootchy!", I say..

--
Steven Green - Waldorf Maryland USA

Diamond Software Group
http://www.diamondsg.com/main.htm
Paradox Support & Sales - Corel CTech Paradox
---------------------------------------------------
Diamond Sports Gems
http://www.diamondsg.com/gemsmain.htm
Trading Cards and other Sports Memorabilia
---------------------------------------------------

#26

"Steven Green" <greens (AT) diamondsg (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

Last time I tried the 4.5 debugger, it kept the data in front of the
debug
window.

Ctrl-U to go from the debugger to the workspace.. Alt-F10 to get back to
the
debugger..

I have no mouse capability in Pdox/DOS windows

that's because you're stuck in Compatible Mode.. you also don't have the
debugger, dialog boxes, memo fields, pulldown menus, file selection boxes
that
let you go up and down the subdirectory trail, and a ton of other stuff..
when
they made Compatible Mode, I don't think they intended for people to stay
there
for over a decade (g)

The situation is unchangeable until one particular person dies.

then "death to smootchy!", I say..

Hint:
10 years ago, the boss fell under the spell of the head of the computer
science department at a major university. He hooked us up with some
programmers who had already written a nice point-of-sale system for JC
Penney. They said that with some minor tweaking, the app could work for our
situation. Bad idea. We sell grocery products, but carry no inventory (too
weird to explain). The POS system obviously had no module for trucking
issues, or tracking bank wires, or a host of other issues which are
particular to our company. The programmers felt it was OK to skip a few
parts of the process, such as requirements gathering. Hey...who really needs
to know what users need?

$250,000.00 later, (as in a quarter of a million) we had nothing. I was glad
I steered clear of that project. Meanwhile, in the real world, Henrik
Bechmann provided a very nice prototype in under a week, based on another
client structured very much like us. Our boss didn't want it because
Toronto's too far away. I kid you not.

#27

"Liz McGuire" <liz (AT) paradoxcommunity (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Besides whatever else has been said, starting with Paradox for Windows
v8, Paradox the application makes an excellent web server, esp. when
your data is already in Paradox tables.

If your data isn't in Paradox tables, or if you aren't familiar with
ObjectPAL, then you probably want another development tool. We'd
probably need to know more in order to recommend a tool.

If you want to know how to use Paradox the application to serve up web
sites, please drop by nntp://pnews.thedbcommunity.com - and go to the
-web group - there's lots of info there, also in the internet portion
of http://www.thedbcommunity.com/ and, of course, feel free to ask
specific questions.

Liz

Thank you, Liz.

Quote:

Doug Kanter wrote:

My company's thinking about making a small set of data visible to all
employees via a web site.