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Default Re: ChimneySweep Release-X Features Discussion - 02-05-2008 , 02:30 PM






On Feb 5, 11:59 am, Kenneth Porter <shiva.blackl... (AT) sewingwitch (DOT) com>
wrote:
Quote:
Sundial Services <i... (AT) sundialservices (DOT) com> wrote innews:47857d15 (AT) pnews (DOT) thedbcommunity.com:

Vista is the first Windows release that really embraces this... that
grabs on the notion that "even though this is 'your' computer, there
are things that 'you' should not be able to do" and will not let go.

I prefer to phrase this as "your day-to-day normal login". "You" can still
do almost anything by logging in as administrator, but this is now strongly
discouraged in order to create a barrier between automatically-run
malicious programs and critical system resources.

But there are a few things that I think are overzealously protected. The
one that I find problematic is MS-signed drivers. Without their signature,
a driver won't load at boot time unless you take the system into developer
mode and approve the driver with each boot. This should be something the
owner of the machine can sign once to approve, presumably with suitable
barriers to prevent a mindless click-through by a regular user. Without
this, there's a significant barrier to entry by freeware and open source
hardware driver writers.
Yeah, well, Microsoft thinks your last sentence describes a feature,
not a problem.


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Fred Z
 
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Default Re: ChimneySweep Release-X Features Discussion - 02-05-2008 , 02:30 PM






On Feb 5, 11:59 am, Kenneth Porter <shiva.blackl... (AT) sewingwitch (DOT) com>
wrote:
Quote:
Sundial Services <i... (AT) sundialservices (DOT) com> wrote innews:47857d15 (AT) pnews (DOT) thedbcommunity.com:

Vista is the first Windows release that really embraces this... that
grabs on the notion that "even though this is 'your' computer, there
are things that 'you' should not be able to do" and will not let go.

I prefer to phrase this as "your day-to-day normal login". "You" can still
do almost anything by logging in as administrator, but this is now strongly
discouraged in order to create a barrier between automatically-run
malicious programs and critical system resources.

But there are a few things that I think are overzealously protected. The
one that I find problematic is MS-signed drivers. Without their signature,
a driver won't load at boot time unless you take the system into developer
mode and approve the driver with each boot. This should be something the
owner of the machine can sign once to approve, presumably with suitable
barriers to prevent a mindless click-through by a regular user. Without
this, there's a significant barrier to entry by freeware and open source
hardware driver writers.
Yeah, well, Microsoft thinks your last sentence describes a feature,
not a problem.


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Fred Z
 
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Default Re: ChimneySweep Release-X Features Discussion - 02-05-2008 , 02:30 PM



On Feb 5, 11:59 am, Kenneth Porter <shiva.blackl... (AT) sewingwitch (DOT) com>
wrote:
Quote:
Sundial Services <i... (AT) sundialservices (DOT) com> wrote innews:47857d15 (AT) pnews (DOT) thedbcommunity.com:

Vista is the first Windows release that really embraces this... that
grabs on the notion that "even though this is 'your' computer, there
are things that 'you' should not be able to do" and will not let go.

I prefer to phrase this as "your day-to-day normal login". "You" can still
do almost anything by logging in as administrator, but this is now strongly
discouraged in order to create a barrier between automatically-run
malicious programs and critical system resources.

But there are a few things that I think are overzealously protected. The
one that I find problematic is MS-signed drivers. Without their signature,
a driver won't load at boot time unless you take the system into developer
mode and approve the driver with each boot. This should be something the
owner of the machine can sign once to approve, presumably with suitable
barriers to prevent a mindless click-through by a regular user. Without
this, there's a significant barrier to entry by freeware and open source
hardware driver writers.
Yeah, well, Microsoft thinks your last sentence describes a feature,
not a problem.


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Fred Z
 
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Default Re: ChimneySweep Release-X Features Discussion - 02-05-2008 , 02:30 PM



On Feb 5, 11:59 am, Kenneth Porter <shiva.blackl... (AT) sewingwitch (DOT) com>
wrote:
Quote:
Sundial Services <i... (AT) sundialservices (DOT) com> wrote innews:47857d15 (AT) pnews (DOT) thedbcommunity.com:

Vista is the first Windows release that really embraces this... that
grabs on the notion that "even though this is 'your' computer, there
are things that 'you' should not be able to do" and will not let go.

I prefer to phrase this as "your day-to-day normal login". "You" can still
do almost anything by logging in as administrator, but this is now strongly
discouraged in order to create a barrier between automatically-run
malicious programs and critical system resources.

But there are a few things that I think are overzealously protected. The
one that I find problematic is MS-signed drivers. Without their signature,
a driver won't load at boot time unless you take the system into developer
mode and approve the driver with each boot. This should be something the
owner of the machine can sign once to approve, presumably with suitable
barriers to prevent a mindless click-through by a regular user. Without
this, there's a significant barrier to entry by freeware and open source
hardware driver writers.
Yeah, well, Microsoft thinks your last sentence describes a feature,
not a problem.


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Fred Z
 
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Default Re: ChimneySweep Release-X Features Discussion - 02-05-2008 , 02:30 PM



On Feb 5, 11:59 am, Kenneth Porter <shiva.blackl... (AT) sewingwitch (DOT) com>
wrote:
Quote:
Sundial Services <i... (AT) sundialservices (DOT) com> wrote innews:47857d15 (AT) pnews (DOT) thedbcommunity.com:

Vista is the first Windows release that really embraces this... that
grabs on the notion that "even though this is 'your' computer, there
are things that 'you' should not be able to do" and will not let go.

I prefer to phrase this as "your day-to-day normal login". "You" can still
do almost anything by logging in as administrator, but this is now strongly
discouraged in order to create a barrier between automatically-run
malicious programs and critical system resources.

But there are a few things that I think are overzealously protected. The
one that I find problematic is MS-signed drivers. Without their signature,
a driver won't load at boot time unless you take the system into developer
mode and approve the driver with each boot. This should be something the
owner of the machine can sign once to approve, presumably with suitable
barriers to prevent a mindless click-through by a regular user. Without
this, there's a significant barrier to entry by freeware and open source
hardware driver writers.
Yeah, well, Microsoft thinks your last sentence describes a feature,
not a problem.


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Fred Z
 
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Default Re: ChimneySweep Release-X Features Discussion - 02-05-2008 , 02:30 PM



On Feb 5, 11:59 am, Kenneth Porter <shiva.blackl... (AT) sewingwitch (DOT) com>
wrote:
Quote:
Sundial Services <i... (AT) sundialservices (DOT) com> wrote innews:47857d15 (AT) pnews (DOT) thedbcommunity.com:

Vista is the first Windows release that really embraces this... that
grabs on the notion that "even though this is 'your' computer, there
are things that 'you' should not be able to do" and will not let go.

I prefer to phrase this as "your day-to-day normal login". "You" can still
do almost anything by logging in as administrator, but this is now strongly
discouraged in order to create a barrier between automatically-run
malicious programs and critical system resources.

But there are a few things that I think are overzealously protected. The
one that I find problematic is MS-signed drivers. Without their signature,
a driver won't load at boot time unless you take the system into developer
mode and approve the driver with each boot. This should be something the
owner of the machine can sign once to approve, presumably with suitable
barriers to prevent a mindless click-through by a regular user. Without
this, there's a significant barrier to entry by freeware and open source
hardware driver writers.
Yeah, well, Microsoft thinks your last sentence describes a feature,
not a problem.


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