A WTF in the Oracle reference...

#21

On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 05:08:54 -0800, thomas.kyte wrote:

Quote:

That would look like an incorrect statement - and I would encourage you
to contact the author. Most all books have errata sheets online these
days, for example

http://apress.com/book/errataDisplay...10008&sID=3094

is from my latest book - and they correct things pretty fast. Each
print run is pretty small, these errors are all corrected in the latest
print run.

The erratum for the page 38 needs an erratum :-)
"Ingres" and "Ingress" are not in the right columns (unlike in the
erratum for the page 185.) The texts need to be swapped.

Jérôme

#22

laughing out loud, you are correct - too funny. I hope they didn't
'uncorrect' it in the book...

#23

HansF wrote:

Quote:

A book I'm reading right now makes the statement

"
Serious problems with rollback segments can sometimes cause
snapshot too old errors. Snapshot too old errors occur when a
rollback segment runs out-of-space and uncommitted transactions
are overwritten.
"

With a big hmmmmm about the 'uncommitted transactions are overwritten', I
wonder about categorizing this one.

Comments appreciated, before I contact the author.

Contact the author/publisher.
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#24

thomas.kyte (AT) oracle (DOT) com wrote:

Quote:

That would look like an incorrect statement - and I would encourage you
to contact the author. Most all books have errata sheets online these
days, for example

http://apress.com/book/errataDisplay...10008&sID=3094

is from my latest book - and they correct things pretty fast. Each
print run is pretty small, these errors are all corrected in the latest
print run.

And now some publishers are even trying to get you to pay for the
privilege: http://www.oreilly.com/roughcuts/faq.csp

Yet Another Reason To Prefer Certain Authors.

jg
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#25

Joel Garry wrote:

Quote:

thomas.kyte (AT) oracle (DOT) com wrote:
.....

And now some publishers are even trying to get you to pay for the
privilege: http://www.oreilly.com/roughcuts/faq.csp

Yet Another Reason To Prefer Certain Authors.

Well, that should really be "prefer certain PUBLISHERS", this isn't
really in the hands of the authors (not much is, believe me

<quoted from that link>
You can read it online, download as a PDF, or print. Once you've
purchased a Rough Cuts title, you have a chance to shape the final
product - you can send suggestions, bug fixes, and comments directly to
the author and editors.
</quote>

They figured out how to get the reviewers to PAY THEM instead of the
other way around!

Quote:

jg
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#26

<thomas.kyte (AT) oracle (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

Joel Garry wrote:
thomas.kyte (AT) oracle (DOT) com wrote:
....

And now some publishers are even trying to get you to pay for the
privilege: http://www.oreilly.com/roughcuts/faq.csp

Yet Another Reason To Prefer Certain Authors.

Well, that should really be "prefer certain PUBLISHERS", this isn't
really in the hands of the authors (not much is, believe me

quoted from that link
You can read it online, download as a PDF, or print. Once you've
purchased a Rough Cuts title, you have a chance to shape the final
product - you can send suggestions, bug fixes, and comments directly to
the author and editors.
/quote

They figured out how to get the reviewers to PAY THEM instead of the
other way around!

jg
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"I've got the MCSA/MCSE Training Kit, but recently I've found numerous
errors, so many that I was sent a free Press Kit book, for submitting
all of the errors I had found." -
http://ask.slashdot.org/askslashdot/.../0041257.shtml

looks like it's time for me to release my Tough Cuts ERP project ;-)

"You can use it online, download the binaries, or print the screens. Once
you've
purchased a Tough Cuts module, you have a chance to shape the final
product - you can send suggestions, bug fixes, and comments directly to
the project manager and marketing reps."

sorry -- shoulda posted in marketplace :-(

++ mcs

#27

thomas.ktye wrote:

Quote:

They figured out how to get the reviewers to PAY THEM instead of the other way around!

Can't help wondering if other publishers or monkeywrenchers might pay
for the privilege of making evil suggestions...

jg
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#28

"Joel Garry" <joel-garry (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:

thomas.ktye wrote:

They figured out how to get the reviewers to PAY THEM instead of the other
way around!

Can't help wondering if other publishers or monkeywrenchers might pay
for the privilege of making evil suggestions...

jg
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"...some wikis allow the database to be switched to read-only mode..."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_vandalism

one would hope the editors and author would be able to identify evil before
popping it into the text ... one would hope.

++ mcs

#29

On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 14:24:20 -0500, Mark C. Stock wrote:

Quote:

one would hope the editors and author would be able to identify evil before
popping it into the text ... one would hope.

++ mcs

Why do you expect they will let stamping out evil stand in the way of
profit?

I'm going through one book right now on ORacle tuning, including 10g. I
assume it is not meant to be serious - the mistakes in each chapter have
me rolling on the floor laughing. Unfortunate that it cost me over $50 -
I can rent copies of 'Just For Laughs' reruns for a lot less. More
unfortunate that many will buy it thinking it wil be a reference manual.

I suspect it is entirely up to the author and reviewer[s] to ensure there
is no evil. One reason I have switched to ensuring >90% of my new
purchases are from APress. You get what you pay for ...

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#30

HansF wrote:

Quote:

Why do you expect they will let stamping out evil stand in the way of profit?

In fact, there is strong motive to get anything out so it can get sold.
This is many people's main complaint about some books - they just
rehash the docs and course material to have something to sell when the
O version comes out, right or wrong. Authors like Kyte and Lewis who
go through everything to prove that statements are so - that is much
more valuable, and very expensive to do - and doesn't _look_ any
different on the shelf.

I may be way too cynical thinking people would monkeywrench a book - on
the other hand, look at that Wiki Vandalism page, and most virii. How
k001 would it be to punk a flickr book? Other publishers paying to
make the competition look bad? Stranger things have happened... but it
might be giving to much credence to evil publishers intelligence. Or
it might show a dilution of peer review to let a large number of Joe
Shmoes drive a book. Would you let your database vendor do that? Oh
wait, don't answer that...

Quote:

I'm going through one book right now on ORacle tuning, including 10g. I assume it is not
meant to be serious - the mistakes in each chapter have me rolling on the floor laughing.
Unfortunate that it cost me over $50 - I can rent copies of 'Just For Laughs' reruns for a lot
less. More unfortunate that many will buy it thinking it wil be a reference manual.

I suspect it is entirely up to the author and reviewer[s] to ensure there is no evil. One reason
I have switched to ensuring >90% of my new purchases are from APress. You get what you > pay for ...

But what you get may not be what you were _expecting_ to pay for. I
believe I paid less than $50 for some books that don't roll me on the
floor...:-)

As a fanboy, there are some authors who I would buy regardless of their
publisher, sometimes even when they go out of their areas of expertise.

jg
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