Re: So.....

#1

On Jan 16, 11:30*pm, Noons <wizofo... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

I start to prepare for the 11.2.0.3 install in our sandpit Aix
system...

(snip)
Ran all the pre-requisite tools/scripts/checks/whatever.
Checked all the software levels according to the installation guides,
release notes, etcetc.

All match:
running Aix 5.3 TL9, which is much more than the official pre-
prequisite.
and all listed patches/packages are installed or above level.

Good, me theenks. *This might actually work flawlessly, for once...
.
.
.
(FOOL!)
.
.
.

Then I crank up the installer.
Which promptly asks me to trust my life to Configuration Manger.
Yeah, right: in a pig's arse! * So, it proceeds and trods along for a
while.

Only to "clunk" with two missing packages:
rsct.basic.rte
and
rsct.compat.clients.rte.
(snip)
And has been for YONKS! *About time this sort of nonsense stopped
happening, mr Oracle!

What a sad, sad joke!

This might not be helpful, but Metalink (MOS) shows that similar
package dependency errors sometimes appeared when 11.1.0.6 was
installed on AIX 5.3. Some of the article show how to bypass the
error if Oracle will not be configured in a RAC environment. You
might start with the following:
https://support.oracle.com/CSP/main/...OT&id=879102.1
https://support.oracle.com/CSP/main/...OT&id=567920.1
https://support.oracle.com/CSP/main/...OT&id=741422.1
https://support.oracle.com/CSP/main/...OT&id=784193.1

I believe that one of the above article also stated that the check for
rsct.basic.rte incorrectly failed with a more recent release of AIX,
so that might explain why that check was removed.

Good luck.

Charles Hooper
http://hoopercharles.wordpress.com/
IT Manager/Oracle DBA
K&M Machine-Fabricating, Inc.

#2

On Jan 18, 4:29*am, joel garry <joel-ga... (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

The yolks on you. *Cross-platform has been in declension for years.
While there has always been favoritism for lead platforms, they're not
even pretending any more. *12c not planned for any Itanium, OMS not
even on hp-ux 64 bit. *At least you AIX folk just got it. *Assuming
you can install it, of course. *:-O

That was likely the only reason left to chose Oracle over other
rdbms. With cross-platform gone, they are just one of the rabble. Ah
well, time to brush up on db2 and MS/SQL, because this Oracle thing is
just a sad joke...

#3

On Jan 18, 1:08*am, Charles Hooper <hooperc2... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

This might not be helpful, but Metalink (MOS) shows that similar
package dependency errors sometimes appeared when 11.1.0.6 was
installed on AIX 5.3. *Some of the article show how to bypass the
error if Oracle will not be configured in a RAC environment. *You
might start with the following:https://support.oracle.com/CSP/main/...pe=NOT&id=7841...

I believe that one of the above article also stated that the check for
rsct.basic.rte incorrectly failed with a more recent release of AIX,
so that might explain why that check was removed.

Yeah, but you see, this is how it works in the real world I - and many
others - actually live in:
1- we bypass the checks on any software install and it goes through
without any errors
2- anything, and I mean anything, goes wrong with setup later on
3- external "expert" is called in who promptly identifies point 1 as
the "source of all evil" (SOAE for short)

do I need to go on to point 4?...

So, it's Aix 7.1 for us. And whatever else the installer then decides
to point as the SOAE.
It just added another week or so to my schedule for the year, and a
lot of pain for the Aix sysadmins.

Lovely, I just knew I could count on Oracle to deliver inefficiencies
and delays into our projects...

#4

Am 17.01.2012 21:42, schrieb Noons:

Quote:

On Jan 18, 4:29 am, joel garry<joel-ga... (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:

The yolks on you. Cross-platform has been in declension for years.
While there has always been favoritism for lead platforms, they're not
even pretending any more. 12c not planned for any Itanium, OMS not
even on hp-ux 64 bit. At least you AIX folk just got it. Assuming
you can install it, of course. :-O

That was likely the only reason left to chose Oracle over other
rdbms. With cross-platform gone, they are just one of the rabble. Ah
well, time to brush up on db2 and MS/SQL, because this Oracle thing is
just a sad joke...

So MS/SQL for AIX is available? Interesting, I didn't notice...

Regards
Peter

--
The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what
you don't like, and do what you'd rather not. -- Mark Twain

#5

On Jan 17, 1:07*pm, Peter Schneider <pschneider1... (AT) googlemail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

Am 17.01.2012 21:42, schrieb Noons:

On Jan 18, 4:29 am, joel garry<joel-ga... (AT) home (DOT) com> *wrote:

The yolks on you. *Cross-platform has been in declension for years.
While there has always been favoritism for lead platforms, they're not
even pretending any more. *12c not planned for any Itanium, OMS not
even on hp-ux 64 bit. *At least you AIX folk just got it. *Assuming
you can install it, of course. *:-O

That was likely the only reason left to chose Oracle over other
rdbms. *With cross-platform gone, they are just one of the rabble. *Ah
well, time to brush up on db2 and MS/SQL, because this Oracle thing is
just a sad joke...

So MS/SQL for AIX is available? Interesting, I didn't notice...

Regards
Peter

--
The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what
you don't like, and do what you'd rather not. -- Mark Twain

Well, there's those VM thingies...

jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
good hackers http://www.paulgraham.com/gh.html

#6

On Jan 18, 8:07*am, Peter Schneider <pschneider1... (AT) googlemail (DOT) com>
wrote:

Quote:

So MS/SQL for AIX is available? Interesting, I didn't notice...

Totally irrelevant. The point is: if Oracle becomes a one hardware/OS
company as all trends seem to indicate, it has no place complaining
about what others do.

#7

Peter:

# So MS/SQL for AIX is available? Interesting, I didn't notice...

You got me laughing here!

A few years back we moved all of our oracle workload over to linux
( now on OL 5.7 ) and so far maintenance on x86 64 has been good.

Many years back hpux used to be solid from oracle and solaris of
course. Never ran on any aix systems ... but hpux started getting
kind of funky a long ways back now. I guess it does get caught up
periodically but sometimes one had to fight thru some weird
installation and maintenance issues.

Sounds like nuno is running into the same kind of questionable qa on
aix that hpux hit a long time back?

For many of us it looks like linux and/or solaris is the path with the
least amount of problems keeping systems updated ... for now.

Back prior to us moving over to linux we were also looking at solaris
x86 but you just could not count on timely maintenance on that
platform. I am guessing that this situation is now getting fixed but
who knows really?

#8

On Jan 20, 4:05*am, ddf <orat... (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

Sounds like nuno is running into the same kind of questionable qa on
aix that hpux hit a long time back?

Not sure if it's just qa. I call it just slack processes. The thing
works, the problem is that the information to make it work is sparse
and scattered and is not consistent. Case in point: why doesn't
rootpre.sh isolate and point out what obviously OUI can? It's not
like it is rocket science, or like rootpre.sh doesn't do version/patch/
level checking already.
In a nutshell: starting an install tool only to see it "boink" on a
step that should have been handled by the previous install step,
rootpre.sh, is indicative of a release process that needs fixing.

To add to the fire: an install tool that asks if one wants to use RAC,
and when we chose "No" then proceeds to check for RAC pre-requisites,
is clearly indicative of a totally deranged development process...

Quote:

little longer to see the new release. *It seems Oracle has chosen to
now stay in its own back yard, so to speak -- a back yard composed of
SPARC Solaris and a variant of Red Hat Linux -- at the expsnse of the
other operating system vendors. *Support for Solaris x86 is gone

Problem is: no one wants to use their "backyard". So it's quite
likely the "frontyard" will end up ditched as well...

Quote:

proprietary x86-type chipsets); Windows is such a vast collection of
working and barely working offerings from XP through Windows 7 (which
is nothing new for Microsoft as Windows98 and their failed UNIX
offering named Xenix [which SCO bought not too long before it felll]
will attest).

I beg to slightly disagree here. Desktop Windows is not the same as
Enterprise Server Windows. Not by a long shot. ES has been stable
for a long while and works really well.
I wouldn't even dream of running a production db server in desktop
Windows, or even Windows Server.
Of course: it's possible. It's also possible to setup a database in a
USB key.
Would anyone in their right mind run a production system like that?
Of course not.

When it comes to Windows, there is one horse: ES. The rest is
powerpoint territory.
And while for a long time I discounted MSSQL as just an oddity, quite
frankly nowadays I find it not only quite usable but also a good piece
of software.

Quote:

vendors/platforms altogether. *It's expensive to shift a data center
from Itanium servers to other commodity x86 machines, or to abandon a
platform simply because Oracle chooses to no longer support it.

Oracle needs to realize that folks run data centres to solve business
needs.
Not to satisfy Oracle marketing campaigns. And no: saas is not a
solution for "all those pesky support problems".

Quote:

Oracle should realize this and return to the 'days of yore' when it
truly was a multi-platform RDBMS with a single code base and allowed
shops of any size to use an enterprise-class database. *As ti

That was by far Oracle's biggest market isolator. But the marketing
"geniuses" who run the company now, believe they can create an entire
market instead of following one.

Good luck with that. I think Kodak just proved it is a good long term
strategy...

#9

On 17 Jan., 15:08, Charles Hooper <hooperc2... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:

On Jan 16, 11:30*pm, Noons <wizofo... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

I start to prepare for the 11.2.0.3 install in our sandpit Aix
system...

(snip)
Ran all the pre-requisite tools/scripts/checks/whatever.
Checked all the software levels according to the installation guides,
release notes, etcetc.

All match:
running Aix 5.3 TL9, which is much more than the official pre-
prequisite.
and all listed patches/packages are installed or above level.

Good, me theenks. *This might actually work flawlessly, for once...
.
.
.
(FOOL!)
.
.
.

Then I crank up the installer.
Which promptly asks me to trust my life to Configuration Manger.
Yeah, right: in a pig's arse! * So, it proceeds and trods along for a
while.

Only to "clunk" with two missing packages:
rsct.basic.rte
and
rsct.compat.clients.rte.
(snip)
And has been for YONKS! *About time this sort of nonsense stopped
happening, mr Oracle!

What a sad, sad joke!

This might not be helpful, but Metalink (MOS) shows that similar
package dependency errors sometimes appeared when 11.1.0.6 was
installed on AIX 5.3. *Some of the article show how to bypass the
error if Oracle will not be configured in a RAC environment. *You
might start with the following:https://support.oracle.com/CSP/main/...pe=NOT&id=7841...

I believe that one of the above article also stated that the check for
rsct.basic.rte incorrectly failed with a more recent release of AIX,
so that might explain why that check was removed.

Good luck.

Charles Hooperhttp://hoopercharles.wordpress.com/
IT Manager/Oracle DBA
K&M Machine-Fabricating, Inc.

Hello, I *think* I have managed to find the relevant information from
MOS. You have to find MOS article 282036.1, download the attached .pdf
file 282036_Final.pdf, and then read page 20.

QUOTE:
IBM Software Requirements and PTFs for AIX 5.3 support of Oracle
Database 11g Release 2 (11.2.0.1 or higher)

The requirements for the software products certified on Oracle
Database 11gR2 with AIX 5.3 are described in this section. AIX 5.3 is
certified on Oracle Database 11gR2 using AIX 5.3 TL10 SP1 or higher.
The 64 bit kernel is required for all Oracle Database 11gR2
installations.
ETOUQ

Best regards,
Hans Henrik Krohn

#10

On Jan 19, 2:33*pm, Noons <wizofo... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
....

Quote:

When it comes to Windows, there is one horse: ES. The rest is
powerpoint territory.
And while for a long time I discounted MSSQL as just an oddity, quite
frankly nowadays I find it not only quite usable but also a good piece
of software.

....

Having never configured any database on Windows Enterprise Server I'll
need to take your word for it. It's good to know that Winders isn't
the raging mess I'm used to seeing (from Desktop to 2008 Server) and
that there is one reliable version of the operating system available.

Why can't Micro$oft do the right thing and make more of the
commercially available Windows offerings as reliable as ES is reported
to be?

David Fitzjarrell