On Mar 5, 5:19*am, joel garry <joel-ga... (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:


Interesting enough if you install a new version, the behaviour reverts
back to sending everything. How nice is that?...

On Mar 4, 9:52*pm, Noons <wizofo... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

snip

I will take your bet ...

$ cd $ORACLE_HOME/ccr
$ pwd
/u01/app/oracle/product/11.1.0/db_1/ccr

On Mar 5, 8:28*am, John Hurley <johnbhur... (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net> wrote:

snip

Here is my last 10.2.0.4 system ...

$ pwd
/u01/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/db_1/ccr
$ ll -ltr
total 56
-rw-r--r-- 1 oracle oinstall 23331 Dec 17 2007 README.TXT
.... ( lines deleted )
$ more README.TXT

Oracle Configuration Manager Release Notes
Version: 10.2.7.1.0
Date: December 17, 2007



These Release Notes list the important features of Oracle
Configuration Manager
and the known issues in this release.

The steps to install and configure Oracle Configuration Manager are
documented
in the Oracle Configuration Manager Installation and Administration
Guide.


About Oracle Configuration Manager
----------------------------------

On Mar 4, 6:41*pm, Noons <wizofo... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Well, if you are going to spout reality and business and costs...

From http://www.oracle.com/corporate/inve...s/10k-2009.pdf
(sorry about formatting):

"Software license updates and product support revenues, which
represented 50%, 46% and 46% of our total revenues
in fiscal 2009, 2008 and 2007, respectively, is our highest margin
business unit. Support margins during fiscal 2009
were 84%, and accounted for 81% of our total margins over the same
period."

....

"In connection with the purchase price allocations for our
acquisitions, we estimate the fair value of the support
obligations assumed. The estimated fair value of the support
obligations is determined utilizing a cost build-up
approach. The cost build-up approach determines fair value by
estimating the costs related to fulfilling the
obligations plus a normal profit margin. The estimated costs to
fulfill the support obligations are based on the
historical direct costs related to providing the support services and
to correct any errors in the software products
acquired. The sum of these costs and operating profit approximates, in
theory, the amount that we would be required
to pay a third party to assume the support obligation. We do not
include any costs associated with selling efforts or
research and development or the related fulfillment margins on these
costs. Profit associated with any selling efforts
is excluded because the acquired entities would have concluded those
selling efforts on the support contracts prior to
the acquisition date. We also do not include the estimated research
and development costs in our fair value
determinations, as these costs are not deemed to represent a legal
obligation at the time of acquisition.

As a result, we did not recognize software license updates and product
support revenues related to support contracts
in the amounts of $243 million, $179 million and $212 million that
would have been otherwise recorded by the
acquired businesses as independent entities in fiscal 2009, 2008 and
2007, respectively."

....

"(Dollars in
millions) 2009
Actual Constant 2008 Actual Constant 2007

Percent Change Percent Change
Year Ended May 31,
Software License Updates and Product Support
Revenues:
Americas . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..
$ 6,462 16% 18% $ 5,587 19% 17% $ 4,698
EMEA . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ..
3,850 10% 21% 3,503 32% 20% 2,653
Asia
Pacific . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
1,442 17% 20% 1,238 27% 18% 978
Total
revenues . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
11,754 14% 19% 10,328 24% 18% 8,329
Expenses:
Software license updates and product
support(1) . . . . . . . 1,075 9% 14% 987 19%
13% 831
Stock-based
compensation . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
13 35% 35% 10 -6% -6% 11
Amortization of intangible
assets(2) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 841 41% 41%
596 27% 27% 470
Total
expenses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
1,929 21% 24% 1,593 21% 18% 1,312
Total
Margin . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
$ 9,825 12% 18% $ 8,735 24% 18% $ 7,017
Total Margin
% . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
84% 85% 84%
"

So I'd say, if everyone (not an oracle employee) who posted at least
twice on here in the last 3 years about any database stuff pulled a
few hundred thousand dollars out of the stream - it _might_ click over
one of the percents.

As they say, first you have to get the mule's attention. Gnats
buzzing around don't.

But of course, Larry long ago recognized the maturity of the db
market, that part of the revenue is just gravy. Like walking around
drinking a container of KFC gravy (sorry for that obscure reference,
heard routine on satellite comedy channel and mental image stuck).

jg
--
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laptop available in the U.S. to download its data recorder information
because it is still a prototype, despite being in use since 2001 in
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On Mar 4, 6:52*pm, Noons <wizofo... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Which law would that be?
http://www.ipinfoblog.com/archives/l...rinciples.html

jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
http://www.krebsonsecurity.com/2010/...oid-jail-time/

John Hurley wrote:
I bet that was Noons' situation after 'the installing part', but he combined
'the configuration and the using part' into one statement:
rm -rf /u01/app/oracle/product/10.2.0/db_1/ccr



--
Jeroen

On Mar 5, 2:23*pm, "The Boss" <use... (AT) No (DOT) Spam.Please.invalid> wrote:

snip

You are not saying he is stacking the deck are ya?

I don't have many 10.2 systems left over to check but the ones I
looked at all had that directory present.

John Hurley wrote,on my timestamp of 6/03/2010 1:03 AM:

How is that "taking my bet"? I got rid of thee darn thing after someone claimed
it couldn't be done, and you show me that it is in your system?
So what? Get rid of it. As simple as that.

The Boss wrote,on my timestamp of 6/03/2010 6:23 AM:

Hehehe! Dare I say: "the penny dropped"?

joel garry wrote,on my timestamp of 6/03/2010 4:22 AM:
They don't operate in one country alone and the laws of that country are not the
ones of the rest of the world...