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Mladen Gogala
 
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Default Re: Oracle joins the NoSQL fray - 10-10-2011 , 12:09 PM






On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 18:54:08 +0200, Robert Klemme wrote:

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Having said that there are obviously domains where a NoSQL database can
be used for good.
I definitely agree with you 100% on this. I used one popular NoSQL for a
DW implementation and it was a great success. I wouldn't have dreamed of
using it for the company critical OLTP database, but for a DW database
with an extremely de-normalized data model (everything rolled into a
single table), it was excellent. However, I don't think that an appliance
would be an option.



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Default Re: Oracle joins the NoSQL fray - 10-10-2011 , 12:51 PM






On 10 oct, 18:54, Robert Klemme <shortcut... (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote:
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On 10.10.2011 08:59, CarlosAL wrote:

On Oct 10, 7:22 am, Noons<wizofo... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com.au> *wrote:
Mladen Gogala wrote,on my timestamp of 8/10/2011 7:43 AM:

...other than in the minds of said Java
developers who go all gooey when they hear "NoSQL"...

Isn't it what they have been doing since jdbc appeared? (I mean, the
SQL they usually write can be called NoSQL...)

I know it's probably fun, but please do not overgeneralize.
Yup, I was joking.
I know that there must be a lot of competent java developers who are
able to work properly with -and understand- a database. My problem is
that I've not found many of them in the real world.

Cheers.

Carlos.

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Default Re: Oracle joins the NoSQL fray - 10-10-2011 , 05:06 PM



On Oct 10, 5:59*pm, CarlosAL <miotromailcar... (AT) netscape (DOT) net> wrote:

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Isn't it what they have been doing since jdbc appeared? (I mean, the
SQL they usually write can be called NoSQL...)
I thought that was called 'Hibernate'.


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Mladen Gogala
 
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Default Re: Oracle joins the NoSQL fray - 10-10-2011 , 07:28 PM



On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:06:27 -0700, phil_herring (AT) yahoo (DOT) com.au wrote:

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On Oct 10, 5:59Â*pm, CarlosAL <miotromailcar... (AT) netscape (DOT) net> wrote:

Isn't it what they have been doing since jdbc appeared? (I mean, the
SQL they usually write can be called NoSQL...)

I thought that was called 'Hibernate'.


-- Phil

It is called Hibernate. The reason is that if you produce a SQL late in
the autumn, you can take a nap until spring and wake in time to see the
query come back. There is an old Latin proverb which says "nomen est
omen". That certainly does hold true for Hibernate. The name does
describe the behavior of the applications written using it. Also, the
framework itself can be a real bear.....


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Robert Klemme
 
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Default Re: Oracle joins the NoSQL fray - 10-11-2011 , 12:59 AM



On 11.10.2011 02:28, Mladen Gogala wrote:
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On Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:06:27 -0700, phil_herring (AT) yahoo (DOT) com.au wrote:

On Oct 10, 5:59 pm, CarlosAL<miotromailcar... (AT) netscape (DOT) net> wrote:

Isn't it what they have been doing since jdbc appeared? (I mean, the
SQL they usually write can be called NoSQL...)

I thought that was called 'Hibernate'.

It is called Hibernate. The reason is that if you produce a SQL late in
the autumn, you can take a nap until spring and wake in time to see the
query come back. There is an old Latin proverb which says "nomen est
omen". That certainly does hold true for Hibernate. The name does
describe the behavior of the applications written using it. Also, the
framework itself can be a real bear.....
I think this can only in part be attributed to Hibernate itself.
Ironically it's main purpose (hiding DB details) is also responsible for
many abuses because it makes it so easy to ignore internals of Hibernate
and the RDBMS used. For example, it's no surprise that you get horrible
performance if you do not care for concurrency or use the wrong locking
model. ;-)

Kind regards

robert

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CarlosAL
 
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Default Re: Oracle joins the NoSQL fray - 10-11-2011 , 03:18 AM



On Oct 11, 7:59*am, Robert Klemme <shortcut... (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote:

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Ironically it's main purpose (hiding DB details) is also responsible for
many abuses because it makes it so easy to ignore internals of Hibernate
and the RDBMS used.
That's it!

Cheers.

Carlos.

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