Will a regular web host suffice for an Oracle web app, or does one need a
special Oracle-enabled web host?

Thanks.

On 24.03.2009 03:31, tharpa wrote:
What exactly do you mean by "web host"? Do you mean a host system
(hardware and operating system)? Do you mean a web hosting company?
And what does "suffice" mean? Sufficient for installing Oracle on that
machine? Or sufficient for running an application that uses an Oracle
database?

When it comes to supported operating systems you can look at
http://tahiti.oracle.com/ - there you will find installation documentation.

Cheers

robert

On Mar 24, 3:13*am, Robert Klemme <shortcut... (AT) googlemail (DOT) com> wrote:
tharpa, if you have a web server such as apache or IIS then these can
be used to host application web pages that access data in Oracle but
depending on what type of connection to Oracle your code uses you may
need to install an Oracle client on the server to support the
connection.

The Web Application Server documentation should have a section that
discusses the requirements for accessing databases.

If you are really talking about a development environment product then
again reference the product documentation.

HTH -- Mark D Powell --

On Tue, 24 Mar 2009 08:13:31 +0100, Robert Klemme wrote:

Robert,

Thanks for your response. I meant a web hosting company. For example,
Network Solutions has a number of web hosting packages.
http://www.networksolutions.com/doma...ct-service.jsp

They specifically mention My SQl and MS Access, not sure why. Suppose I
had a web page on a server hosted by a web hosting company, and that this
web page accessed my Oracle database. Would generic web space such as
that described above be ok?

The reason I ask is that I currently only have the 10 MB of space that
comes with my Verizon FIOS. I'm considering getting some more web space
such as that hosted by Network Solutions. I might not bother if I thought
that it wouldn't work with an Oracle application. I could host the web
space on my own computer, but I've heard that that's not recommended, as
it attracts attention from crackers.

On Mar 24, 3:44*pm, tharpa <tha... (AT) tharpa-PC (DOT) net> wrote:
There are places that host Oracle, including Oracle. Some ISP's will
let you run a VM, you could run Oracle XE on that if your app is small
enough. http://www.oracle.com/technology/tech/cloud/index.html

Oracle does have the capabilities to be hardened against attack,
google the various white papers like
http://www.oracle.com/technology/dep...t_database.pdf
Pete Finnegan has a course dedicated to it. From what I've seen
publicly of some commercial services that ought to know better, there
are some real idiots out there. I've personally been pissed off by
network solutions, but that perhaps isn't a fair evaluation of them -
or it may reflect their attitude generally. I personally don't think
cloud computing is a good idea, but that's probably just paranoid me,
being an old timeshare geek.

There are an amazing number of sites out there that don't have basic
security and ops, such as coding to avoid sql injection attacks, and
plain old proper backups. Security is expensive and painful, though
not as painful and expensive as lack of security. Oracle has
potentially the best security, Access is a joke, mysql still has lots
of growing pains to go through. IMNSHO.

jg
--
@home.com is bogus.
Face to face, and back to back, you'll see and feel, my flash attack.
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?no.../03/24/1818229

On Mar 24, 5:44*pm, tharpa <tha... (AT) tharpa-PC (DOT) net> wrote:
<Self Promotion>
As I mentioned in an email to you, I have a small hosting company,
Magic Interface. If you are serious about having an Oracle based host
and decent space for your web site, contact us.
</Self Promotion>

Security is a BIG concern. I would not recommend running your own
server unless you already know how to deal with the security aspects
(e.g. do you know what the SATAN program does?). Our systems get
scanned by attackers almost constantly.

jg is right that lots of sites are easily compromised. Those machines
are then used to target other sites so even when you find where an
attack comes from, that likely is only the first link in a long chain
toward the real source. There is very little Law enforcement can do
right now since the chain usually crosses international boundaries.

Ed

On Mar 24, 6:44*pm, tharpa <tha... (AT) tharpa-PC (DOT) net> wrote:
In order to access Oracle from the web hosting site the site would
either have to run Oracle or your application would have to issue a
call to a remote database hosted elsewhere but accessible via the
internet. The firewall used by the hosting site would likely be an
issue so I think you would have to find a site that provided or
allowed you to run an Oracle instance in your space. If Verizon FIOS
supports java you could try a java thin client connecton back to your
PC where you could have Oracle Express but before spending time you
might try asking Verizon customer support.

HTH -- Mark D Powell --

On Mar 24, 10:44*pm, tharpa <tha... (AT) tharpa-PC (DOT) net> wrote:
Presumably because they have installed and configured those and
provide a web page for you to use to create accounts etc. They won't
have installed Oracle and they probably won't let you install your own
copy under a starter hosting package.