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Default What is the most widely used RAID type for Oracle databases? - 11-15-2007 , 05:54 AM






Maybe too broad a question.
Is RAID 10 pretty much now the rule of thumb?

Hope things are going well,
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Default Re: What is the most widely used RAID type for Oracle databases? - 11-15-2007 , 09:41 AM






Bill wrote:
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Maybe too broad a question.
Is RAID 10 pretty much now the rule of thumb?

Hope things are going well,
Bill

Pretty much a rule of thumb. If you use Oracle's ASM, the only redudancy
it provides is akin to RAID 1 or RAID 10, depending on your configuration.

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Default Re: What is the most widely used RAID type for Oracle databases? - 11-15-2007 , 01:26 PM



Bill wrote:
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Maybe too broad a question.
Is RAID 10 pretty much now the rule of thumb?

Hope things are going well,
Bill

You mean, if used at all?

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Default Re: What is the most widely used RAID type for Oracle databases? - 11-15-2007 , 01:49 PM



On Nov 15, 3:54 am, Bill <edi... (AT) newpaltz (DOT) edu> wrote:
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Maybe too broad a question.
Is RAID 10 pretty much now the rule of thumb?

Hope things are going well,
Bill
I think RAID5 is the most widely used these days. It works ok, except
when it doesn't. "Doesn't" usually includes situations such as write
buffer saturation and degraded hardware situations (ie, bad disk). Of
course, if one more disk than the number you have set for redundancy
goes bad (like if another disk is pulled out while a new one is being
rebuilt) the effects are similar to the old "ripper" virus on DOS.

For heavily loaded systems, much of the saturation problem can be
avoided by moving things that are heavily serially written to RAID10
(or whatever) - like redo.

Is http://www.baarf.com/ out of date? Perhaps, more modern 5's have
pretty big buffer hardware. But http://storagemojo.com/?p=383

Since it probably isn't clear, I think RAID10 is far superior for what
Oracle does. But that isn't the subject. What is most widely used is
what is most widely sold, and that isn't necessarily based on
technical superiority or proper requirements analysis. It's based on
money and somewhat on hype. RAID5 is, simply, cheaper - and isn't
that what the I in RAID is?

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Default Re: What is the most widely used RAID type for Oracle databases? - 11-16-2007 , 04:47 AM



On 15 nov, 20:49, joel garry <joel-ga... (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:

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Since it probably isn't clear, I think RAID10 is far superior for what
Oracle does. But that isn't the subject. What is most widely used is
what is most widely sold, and that isn't necessarily based on
technical superiority or proper requirements analysis. It's based on
money and somewhat on hype. RAID5 is, simply, cheaper - and isn't
that what the I in RAID is?
Or did it stand for Independent?

I'd vote for SAME, too - but indeed, that was not the question


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Default Re: What is the most widely used RAID type for Oracle databases? - 11-16-2007 , 06:06 AM





Frank van Bortel wrote:
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Bill wrote:

Maybe too broad a question.
Is RAID 10 pretty much now the rule of thumb?

Hope things are going well,
Bill


You mean, if used at all?
I guess! You mean you don't use it? (=(8
thanks Frank- Hope the weekend is good-
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Default Re: What is the most widely used RAID type for Oracle databases? - 11-16-2007 , 06:10 AM





joel garry wrote:

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On Nov 15, 3:54 am, Bill <edi... (AT) newpaltz (DOT) edu> wrote:

Maybe too broad a question.
Is RAID 10 pretty much now the rule of thumb?

Hope things are going well,
Bill


I think RAID5 is the most widely used these days. It works ok, except
when it doesn't. "Doesn't" usually includes situations such as write
buffer saturation and degraded hardware situations (ie, bad disk). Of
course, if one more disk than the number you have set for redundancy
goes bad (like if another disk is pulled out while a new one is being
rebuilt) the effects are similar to the old "ripper" virus on DOS.

For heavily loaded systems, much of the saturation problem can be
avoided by moving things that are heavily serially written to RAID10
(or whatever) - like redo.
Yeah that's what we're doing now (actually the entire thing is RAID 10 but
probably shouldn't be as it uses quite a bit of space and it isn't write
intensive.

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Is http://www.baarf.com/ out of date? Perhaps, more modern 5's have
pretty big buffer hardware. But http://storagemojo.com/?p=383

Thanks!!! (= =(8


Quote:
Since it probably isn't clear, I think RAID10 is far superior for what
Oracle does.
You mean as in overkill?

But that isn't the subject. What is most widely used is
Quote:
what is most widely sold, and that isn't necessarily based on
technical superiority or proper requirements analysis. It's based on
money and somewhat on hype. RAID5 is, simply, cheaper - and isn't
that what the I in RAID is?
Thanks!!! Time and thoughts much appreciated.

B

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Default Re: What is the most widely used RAID type for Oracle databases? - 11-16-2007 , 06:10 AM





Frank van Bortel wrote:

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On 15 nov, 20:49, joel garry <joel-ga... (AT) home (DOT) com> wrote:


Since it probably isn't clear, I think RAID10 is far superior for what
Oracle does. But that isn't the subject. What is most widely used is
what is most widely sold, and that isn't necessarily based on
technical superiority or proper requirements analysis. It's based on
money and somewhat on hype. RAID5 is, simply, cheaper - and isn't
that what the I in RAID is?


Or did it stand for Independent?
Depends where you look it up...(=(8

I'd vote for SAME, too - but indeed, that was not the question
All thoughts & ideas, and change of venue more than welcome!
B



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