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Default Will Cognos a Microstrategy make a move??? - 07-24-2003 , 04:29 PM






So, I thought I would start a little thread, it may or may not interest
everyone.

With all of the recent buyouts in the BI sector do you think Cognos and
Microstrategy are next?

- BO bought Crystal (overpaid I think, and the products overlap too much)
- Hyperion bought Brio (I like this one...)

What's everyone's take on the recent developments?

ya



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James L. Smith
 
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Default Re: Will Cognos a Microstrategy make a move??? - 07-27-2003 , 05:16 PM






Actually,

I believe Actuate is a candidate for an acquisition by Cognos. Why? Cognos
doses not offer an Report Management System like Actuate. If Cognos is going
to compete with Business Objects, they will have to purchase a product like
Actuate. Microstrategy? I could see a firm like Oracle or IBM acquiring
Microstrategy.

J

"Joerg Narr" <n_o_s_p_a_m_joerg_narr (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
"ya" <john (AT) doe (DOT) com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:McYTa.70428$zwL.18035 (AT) news04 (DOT) bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
So, I thought I would start a little thread, it may or may not interest
everyone.

With all of the recent buyouts in the BI sector do you think Cognos and
Microstrategy are next?

Just some speculation and just my personal opinion:

In my estimation MicroStrategy is more of a candidate for an acquisition
than Cognos. MicroStrategy firstly is relatively small, has a focus on
analysis and reporting on relational databases and has a relatively
aggressive marketing. A possible buyer could be a relational data base
vendor. The only I can think of is Oracle: Oracle has a relatively
aggresive
marketing, too and their reporting and analysis clients have limitations.
The problem I see is that Oracle also needs a tool to directly provide
R&A-capabilities in an easy-to-use front-end on top of Analytic Workspace.
Using views on AW cannot be the ideal way to use a multidimensional data
base and Excel doesn't deliver for production reporting. Impromptu and
PowerPlay in contrary could accomplish both data stores but would require
Oracle to implement an interface to or from the data base (in the end a
"proprietary" interface to Oracle like OLE DB for OLAP). Oracle would buy
tools though providing ETL, Planning, MDDB and BI Portal which they
already
have to a certain or full extend. Cognos could be more interesting to SAP
since the original strategic agreement was made with Crystal Decisions to
provide "formatted" production reporting. SAP is working on new front-ends
but it would take quite a while until their tools would be as functional
as
the established players' ones. With Powerplay they would get an already
certified tool to access SAP BW and with Impromptu Cognos directly reports
on the data base structures underneath SAP BW. SAP also doesn't have
strong
functionality for data integration but Cognos' functionality isn't very
good
compared to other tools in this either.


- BO bought Crystal (overpaid I think, and the products overlap too
much)

In my opinion BO provides more functionality for ad-hoc reporting and
crystal more functionality for production reporting. The first tool
targets
more to end users, although there are many people who don't like it, but
Crystal Reports definitely is more technical. Another point is the
different
regional spread of the companies giving BO more possibilities in new or
original weak markets. Maybe an acquisition of a vendor with capabilities
in
planning would have contributed more in favor to become a complete BPM
vendor.

- Hyperion bought Brio (I like this one...)

Me too.


What's everyone's take on the recent developments?


This is what I am interested in, too.

Regards,
Joerg





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Neil Raden
 
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Default Re: Will Cognos a Microstrategy make a move??? - 08-18-2003 , 09:06 PM



You may be overlooking the fact that the co-founders of Microstrategy still
own a significant chunk of the outstanding common, and based on meetings
with them lately, I see no sign that they are ready to throw in the towel.

-NR

"James L. Smith" <lavell (AT) bway (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
Actually,

I believe Actuate is a candidate for an acquisition by Cognos. Why? Cognos
doses not offer an Report Management System like Actuate. If Cognos is
going
to compete with Business Objects, they will have to purchase a product
like
Actuate. Microstrategy? I could see a firm like Oracle or IBM acquiring
Microstrategy.

J

"Joerg Narr" <n_o_s_p_a_m_joerg_narr (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:bfqsu8$hqiim$1 (AT) ID-25239 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de...
"ya" <john (AT) doe (DOT) com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:McYTa.70428$zwL.18035 (AT) news04 (DOT) bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
So, I thought I would start a little thread, it may or may not
interest
everyone.

With all of the recent buyouts in the BI sector do you think Cognos
and
Microstrategy are next?

Just some speculation and just my personal opinion:

In my estimation MicroStrategy is more of a candidate for an acquisition
than Cognos. MicroStrategy firstly is relatively small, has a focus on
analysis and reporting on relational databases and has a relatively
aggressive marketing. A possible buyer could be a relational data base
vendor. The only I can think of is Oracle: Oracle has a relatively
aggresive
marketing, too and their reporting and analysis clients have
limitations.
The problem I see is that Oracle also needs a tool to directly provide
R&A-capabilities in an easy-to-use front-end on top of Analytic
Workspace.
Using views on AW cannot be the ideal way to use a multidimensional data
base and Excel doesn't deliver for production reporting. Impromptu and
PowerPlay in contrary could accomplish both data stores but would
require
Oracle to implement an interface to or from the data base (in the end a
"proprietary" interface to Oracle like OLE DB for OLAP). Oracle would
buy
tools though providing ETL, Planning, MDDB and BI Portal which they
already
have to a certain or full extend. Cognos could be more interesting to
SAP
since the original strategic agreement was made with Crystal Decisions
to
provide "formatted" production reporting. SAP is working on new
front-ends
but it would take quite a while until their tools would be as functional
as
the established players' ones. With Powerplay they would get an already
certified tool to access SAP BW and with Impromptu Cognos directly
reports
on the data base structures underneath SAP BW. SAP also doesn't have
strong
functionality for data integration but Cognos' functionality isn't very
good
compared to other tools in this either.


- BO bought Crystal (overpaid I think, and the products overlap too
much)

In my opinion BO provides more functionality for ad-hoc reporting and
crystal more functionality for production reporting. The first tool
targets
more to end users, although there are many people who don't like it, but
Crystal Reports definitely is more technical. Another point is the
different
regional spread of the companies giving BO more possibilities in new or
original weak markets. Maybe an acquisition of a vendor with
capabilities
in
planning would have contributed more in favor to become a complete BPM
vendor.

- Hyperion bought Brio (I like this one...)

Me too.


What's everyone's take on the recent developments?


This is what I am interested in, too.

Regards,
Joerg







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Menno Krijgsman
 
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Default Re: Will Cognos a Microstrategy make a move??? - 08-20-2003 , 02:51 AM



I've heard people say that Cognos Reportnet is the actual cause of the
BO+Crystal and Hyperion+Brio merges. Beside of that i think Cognos already
made a rather strong move with the aquisition of Aydatum. So to my humble
opinion i don't see Cognos taking over any BI vendors.
As far as Cognos being acquired is concerned, if I was to take over a BI
company it would certainly be Cognos. But my name is Menno, not Bill or
Larry.

Menno
"Mike Bayliss" <mike338 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Actually, I doubt this highly. Have a look at Cognos' new product
ReportNet.



"James L. Smith" <lavell (AT) bway (DOT) net> wrote

Actually,

I believe Actuate is a candidate for an acquisition by Cognos. Why?
Cognos
doses not offer an Report Management System like Actuate. If Cognos is
going
to compete with Business Objects, they will have to purchase a product
like
Actuate. Microstrategy? I could see a firm like Oracle or IBM
acquiring
Microstrategy.

J

"Joerg Narr" <n_o_s_p_a_m_joerg_narr (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:bfqsu8$hqiim$1 (AT) ID-25239 (DOT) news.uni-berlin.de...
"ya" <john (AT) doe (DOT) com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:McYTa.70428$zwL.18035 (AT) news04 (DOT) bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
So, I thought I would start a little thread, it may or may not
interest
everyone.

With all of the recent buyouts in the BI sector do you think Cognos
and
Microstrategy are next?

Just some speculation and just my personal opinion:

In my estimation MicroStrategy is more of a candidate for an
acquisition
than Cognos. MicroStrategy firstly is relatively small, has a focus on
analysis and reporting on relational databases and has a relatively
aggressive marketing. A possible buyer could be a relational data base
vendor. The only I can think of is Oracle: Oracle has a relatively
aggresive
marketing, too and their reporting and analysis clients have
limitations.
The problem I see is that Oracle also needs a tool to directly provide
R&A-capabilities in an easy-to-use front-end on top of Analytic
Workspace.
Using views on AW cannot be the ideal way to use a multidimensional
data
base and Excel doesn't deliver for production reporting. Impromptu and
PowerPlay in contrary could accomplish both data stores but would
require
Oracle to implement an interface to or from the data base (in the end
a
"proprietary" interface to Oracle like OLE DB for OLAP). Oracle would
buy
tools though providing ETL, Planning, MDDB and BI Portal which they
already
have to a certain or full extend. Cognos could be more interesting to
SAP
since the original strategic agreement was made with Crystal Decisions
to
provide "formatted" production reporting. SAP is working on new
front-ends
but it would take quite a while until their tools would be as
functional
as
the established players' ones. With Powerplay they would get an
already
certified tool to access SAP BW and with Impromptu Cognos directly
reports
on the data base structures underneath SAP BW. SAP also doesn't have
strong
functionality for data integration but Cognos' functionality isn't
very
good
compared to other tools in this either.


- BO bought Crystal (overpaid I think, and the products overlap too
much)

In my opinion BO provides more functionality for ad-hoc reporting and
crystal more functionality for production reporting. The first tool
targets
more to end users, although there are many people who don't like it,
but
Crystal Reports definitely is more technical. Another point is the
different
regional spread of the companies giving BO more possibilities in new
or
original weak markets. Maybe an acquisition of a vendor with
capabilities
in
planning would have contributed more in favor to become a complete BPM
vendor.

- Hyperion bought Brio (I like this one...)

Me too.


What's everyone's take on the recent developments?


This is what I am interested in, too.

Regards,
Joerg





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