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Mark van der Voort
 
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Default Tool selection: web-based exchange of multi-dimensional data - 08-18-2003 , 06:39 AM






In our company we have a need for secure, web-based reporting. More
specifically, we want clients to report to us, either using web based
data-entry, or web-based data exchange.

The kind of data we want our clients to report has a striking
resemblance to the kind of data usually obtained through OLAP tools,
albeit that we only require a single measure dimension.

A complication may be that although for some dimensions all members
are known and can be enumerated, there are dimensions for which
enumeration of all relevant numbers beforehand is not feasible, e.g.
bank-accounts. In this case we would like to specify a data-format
with a simple validation rule.

Our current line of thought is that we want to be able to specify a
reporting need in terms of a multicube, with the possibility of
specifying (ranges of) cells for which no reporting need exists.

This seems very much feasible, and would presumably ease our effort in
concisely defining the data need. Any hints of tooling in this
direction would very much be appreciated.

Another part of the problem lies in the fact that we want to use these
definitions as a starting point for the generation of web-based data
entry forms. We are not aware of any tooling, but we do think that the
generation of web-based result screens isn't very much different from
the generation of web-based entry screens.

Ideally the solution provides:

* secure data entry: encrypted data, non-repudiation, using a
industry standard PKI infrastructure
* a means of specifying cross-cell checks, i.e. arbitrary relations
between (ranges of) cells, not neccessarily within the same dimension
* instant feedback in terms of error messages when simple rules are
violated, including validation of reported members of non-enumerable
dimensions.
* Updating of calculated cells, be it aggregates or used-defined
functions.
* minimal deployment: installation through the web
* the solution is preferably browser-based and OS unaware
* the solution has a proven track-record

Any hints for (partial) solutions are more than welcome.

Disclaimer:
This message is part of an as of yet informal investigation, and any
statements expressed herein are not necessarily in line with company
decisions.

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Howard Taylor [O2OLAP]
 
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Default Re: Tool selection: web-based exchange of multi-dimensional data - 08-18-2003 , 07:53 AM






Mark

We will reply direct to you.

Howard Taylor
Howard.Taylor (AT) o2olap (DOT) com
www.o2olap.com


"Mark van der Voort" <m.m.van.der.voort (AT) dnb (DOT) nl> wrote

Quote:
In our company we have a need for secure, web-based reporting. More
specifically, we want clients to report to us, either using web based
data-entry, or web-based data exchange.

The kind of data we want our clients to report has a striking
resemblance to the kind of data usually obtained through OLAP tools,
albeit that we only require a single measure dimension.

A complication may be that although for some dimensions all members
are known and can be enumerated, there are dimensions for which
enumeration of all relevant numbers beforehand is not feasible, e.g.
bank-accounts. In this case we would like to specify a data-format
with a simple validation rule.

Our current line of thought is that we want to be able to specify a
reporting need in terms of a multicube, with the possibility of
specifying (ranges of) cells for which no reporting need exists.

This seems very much feasible, and would presumably ease our effort in
concisely defining the data need. Any hints of tooling in this
direction would very much be appreciated.

Another part of the problem lies in the fact that we want to use these
definitions as a starting point for the generation of web-based data
entry forms. We are not aware of any tooling, but we do think that the
generation of web-based result screens isn't very much different from
the generation of web-based entry screens.

Ideally the solution provides:

* secure data entry: encrypted data, non-repudiation, using a
industry standard PKI infrastructure
* a means of specifying cross-cell checks, i.e. arbitrary relations
between (ranges of) cells, not neccessarily within the same dimension
* instant feedback in terms of error messages when simple rules are
violated, including validation of reported members of non-enumerable
dimensions.
* Updating of calculated cells, be it aggregates or used-defined
functions.
* minimal deployment: installation through the web
* the solution is preferably browser-based and OS unaware
* the solution has a proven track-record

Any hints for (partial) solutions are more than welcome.

Disclaimer:
This message is part of an as of yet informal investigation, and any
statements expressed herein are not necessarily in line with company
decisions.



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gms@gmsbv.nl
 
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Default Re: Tool selection: web-based exchange of multi-dimensional data - 08-19-2003 , 04:23 AM



Mark,

Bezoek onze website www.gmsbv.nl en je kan doorklikken naar een
internet website van een van onze klanten in A'dam, waar een volledig
werkende BI/OLAP tool in werking te zien is en waar je een eerste
indruk kunt krijgen.

Mocht je nog verdere specifieke vragen hebben, dan hoor ik dat graag.

Groet,
Marco Groeneveld


m.m.van.der.voort (AT) dnb (DOT) nl (Mark van der Voort) wrote in message news:<de0bbda6.0308180339.57b3159b (AT) posting (DOT) google.com>...
Quote:
In our company we have a need for secure, web-based reporting. More
specifically, we want clients to report to us, either using web based
data-entry, or web-based data exchange.

The kind of data we want our clients to report has a striking
resemblance to the kind of data usually obtained through OLAP tools,
albeit that we only require a single measure dimension.

A complication may be that although for some dimensions all members
are known and can be enumerated, there are dimensions for which
enumeration of all relevant numbers beforehand is not feasible, e.g.
bank-accounts. In this case we would like to specify a data-format
with a simple validation rule.

Our current line of thought is that we want to be able to specify a
reporting need in terms of a multicube, with the possibility of
specifying (ranges of) cells for which no reporting need exists.

This seems very much feasible, and would presumably ease our effort in
concisely defining the data need. Any hints of tooling in this
direction would very much be appreciated.

Another part of the problem lies in the fact that we want to use these
definitions as a starting point for the generation of web-based data
entry forms. We are not aware of any tooling, but we do think that the
generation of web-based result screens isn't very much different from
the generation of web-based entry screens.

Ideally the solution provides:

* secure data entry: encrypted data, non-repudiation, using a
industry standard PKI infrastructure
* a means of specifying cross-cell checks, i.e. arbitrary relations
between (ranges of) cells, not neccessarily within the same dimension
* instant feedback in terms of error messages when simple rules are
violated, including validation of reported members of non-enumerable
dimensions.
* Updating of calculated cells, be it aggregates or used-defined
functions.
* minimal deployment: installation through the web
* the solution is preferably browser-based and OS unaware
* the solution has a proven track-record

Any hints for (partial) solutions are more than welcome.

Disclaimer:
This message is part of an as of yet informal investigation, and any
statements expressed herein are not necessarily in line with company
decisions.

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Joerg Narr
 
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Default Re: Tool selection: web-based exchange of multi-dimensional data - 08-19-2003 , 08:29 AM



Hi Mark,

"Mark van der Voort" <m.m.van.der.voort (AT) dnb (DOT) nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:de0bbda6.0308180339.57b3159b (AT) posting (DOT) google.com...
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In our company we have a need for secure, web-based reporting. More
specifically, we want clients to report to us, either using web based
data-entry, or web-based data exchange.
In my oppinion reporting is something that reports data out of a data store.
The situation you describe reminds me more of a planning application where
the users can input some data. Is their data coming out of a data store or
do they key the data in?

Quote:
The kind of data we want our clients to report has a striking
resemblance to the kind of data usually obtained through OLAP tools,
albeit that we only require a single measure dimension.

A complication may be that although for some dimensions all members
are known and can be enumerated, there are dimensions for which
enumeration of all relevant numbers beforehand is not feasible, e.g.
bank-accounts. In this case we would like to specify a data-format
with a simple validation rule.
This is a challenge to any data warehouse data base no matter if
multidimensional (MOLAP) or relational (ROLAP) since they are mainly
structure driven, meaning that there first has to be an element and second
the data to that element. Are the people keying in an account and maybe a
balance? Then your requirements might be easier handled by an operational
application (a Web page using https?). They could also send you a formatted
list with account, key figure 1, 2, 3... etc. and you import it at a later
stage. This way you can be sure to have all the necessary information. This
could also be keyed in in the form mentioned above.
Quote:
Our current line of thought is that we want to be able to specify a
reporting need in terms of a multicube, with the possibility of
specifying (ranges of) cells for which no reporting need exists.

This seems very much feasible, and would presumably ease our effort in
concisely defining the data need. Any hints of tooling in this
direction would very much be appreciated.

Another part of the problem lies in the fact that we want to use these
definitions as a starting point for the generation of web-based data
entry forms. We are not aware of any tooling, but we do think that the
generation of web-based result screens isn't very much different from
the generation of web-based entry screens.
In principle you are right with this. Some applications don't provide good
functionality for both reporting and planning.

Quote:
Ideally the solution provides:

* secure data entry: encrypted data, non-repudiation, using a
industry standard PKI infrastructure
* a means of specifying cross-cell checks, i.e. arbitrary relations
between (ranges of) cells, not neccessarily within the same dimension
* instant feedback in terms of error messages when simple rules are
violated, including validation of reported members of non-enumerable
dimensions.
* Updating of calculated cells, be it aggregates or used-defined
functions.
* minimal deployment: installation through the web
* the solution is preferably browser-based and OS unaware
* the solution has a proven track-record

Any hints for (partial) solutions are more than welcome.
Don't you rather need a web based planning application than a reporting
solution? In order to give you better advice I need more information
regarding to your exact requirements. How do the input sheets look like? Is
there a planning process? Which reporting requirements do you have? As
already mentioned you might be better off building a Web interface using
SSL/HTTPS for the stated planning requirement. If you have further
requirements in your planning process you might want to have a look at
Applix (Interactive Planning), Comshare (shortly bought by a Canadian
ERP-company GEAC), Hyperion (Planning). This could be overkill though.

Kind regards,

Joerg




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