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Re: Removing PGP signature on reply -
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Jacek Krysztofik: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 ...snip evil popcorn session... [About the PGP related texts in Jacek's messages:] It only clutters usenet and adds absolutely nothing to the message. Standard-compliant agents remove the envelope on reply. Now things get interesting, although quite off topic: Are you implying that there are standards saying, that a news client should (be able to) strip off phrases like the 'BEGIN' part above, and the 'SIGNATURE' part below? As I wasn't aware that such standards existed, and my favorite news clients (Gravity, Xananews and Mesnews) don't strip them off on reply, I am now in doubt. Perhaps the 'envelope' is something not related to the PGP-phrases included in your messages? I seem to be Googling for the wrong terms. I would very much appreciate a hint/link into the proper direction, so I can read more about what news clients should and should not do with PGP-parts in newsgroup contributions. Thanks in advance, Jacek! [See? Xananews doesn't strip this off, on reply:] |
made so abundantly clear.
But then trolls are like that.
And the more I read from him, the less I believe his original post is
anywhere near an accurate description of the situation.
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On 1/6/2011 1:41 PM, Erick T. Barkhuis wrote: Jacek Krysztofik: Standard-compliant agents remove the envelope on reply. I would very much appreciate a hint/link into the proper direction, so I can read more about what news clients should and should not do with PGP-parts in newsgroup contributions. Don't worry, Erick - he has no idea what he's talking about, as he has made so abundantly clear. But then trolls are like that. |
Well, I don't consider Jacek a troll, and I genuinely would like to
know more about what a news client should do with PGP-phrases. Should
they be treated like news posts signatures (and snipped upon reply)? Or
not?
Obviously, your Thunderbird doesn't remove those 'PGP signatures'
automatically, and neither does my Xananews. As Jacek wrote:
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Standard-compliant agents remove the envelope on reply. |
talking about.
Really just asking, without suggesting anything.
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Standard-compliant agents remove the envelope on reply. Now things get interesting, although quite off topic: Are you implying that there are standards saying, that a news client should (be able to) strip off phrases like the 'BEGIN' part above, and the 'SIGNATURE' part below? Right, I went over the edge with the whole "standard compliance," |
any transport protocol. But it stands to logic, that if it's a
PGP-compliant (mail/news) agent then yes, it should strip the headers
and signature (which for brevity I called an envelope) when displaying
and replying. Otherwise the resulting message will be regarded as
counterfeit by recipients' PGP-compliant agents, because the signature
verification will fail.
Moreover, I can't see any reason why agents incapable of PGP
verification couldn't do that as well (indeed, why that shouldn't be the
preferred behavior), just as they do with the sigblock, which while, I
maintain, not a _requirement_ by any standard, is commonly the default
behavior.
All that doesn't validate my initial claim, though.
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Perhaps the 'envelope' is something not related to the PGP-phrases included in your messages? I seem to be Googling for the wrong terms. Yes it is, but I used it figuratively, as it is sometimes done when |
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I would very much appreciate a hint/link into the proper direction, so I can read more about what news clients should and should not do with PGP-parts in newsgroup contributions. ~I can haz sarcasm tags next tiem,~ or would you like to discuss the |
PS. The funny thing is, if Mr J. asked that I stop using inline PGP
right away, rather than talking about me using wrong sigblock separator,
there might have been an entirely different misunderstanding instead.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
iEYEARECAAYFAk0mK3wACgkQzQC6ug+xcfdSUgCgv4GqGdpthw kbKX4JnjrtK01P
yfMAn2wDltLrsulDbLONgeUBtWnrKXEW
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and replying. Otherwise the resulting message will be regarded as counterfeit by recipients' PGP-compliant agents, because the signature verification will fail. The "Otherwise [...] fail." part here only regards the response. |
Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux)
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
iEYEARECAAYFAk0mLZQACgkQzQC6ug+xcfcx1ACgg0jg3ZRIpe mNqfk1ty7Avg7O
iBgAoMR7Axu4nMmBsh/c69BWNmCTTRvX
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But then trolls are like that. And the more I read from him, the less I believe his original post is anywhere near an accurate description of the situation. Guess what, Jerry, just for you, I got a *sig*! You like? |
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From: Jerry Stuckle <jstuckle (AT) attglobal (DOT) net>
Message-ID: <ifvvef$gr9$1 (AT) news (DOT) eternal-september.org>
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Sounds like you should get together with TNP - both of you are IDIOTS! As for your "cease and desist order" - STUFF IT UP YOUR ARSE, STOOPID! Message-ID: <ig4j9l$2ka$1 (AT) news (DOT) eternal-september.org LOL, the arsehole speaks up again. What a turd! -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- |
Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/
iEYEARECAAYFAk0mL5IACgkQzQC6ug+xcffTsACgrejYGLWmKP aYLHNKv54oDa6J
qJMAn1DDzt+5MQ8vhnT5odcBNU80fE1l
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Now things get interesting, although quite off topic: Are you implying that there are standards saying, that a news client should (be able to) strip off phrases like the 'BEGIN' part above, and the 'SIGNATURE' part below? |
<http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=1991>
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As I wasn't aware that such standards existed, and my favorite news clients (Gravity, Xananews and Mesnews) don't strip them off on reply, I am now in doubt. |
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Yes, such a standard exists: http://www.rfc-archive.org/getrfc.php?rfc=1991 I'd like that very much, but it says here |
* Status: INFORMATIONAL
* This memo does not specify an Internet standard of any kind.
* Obsoleted by: RFC 4880
which in turn is a proposed standard, but doesn't define agent UI behaviors.
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Gnus does. And don't even start me on Emacs  |
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