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Default Backup problem - 12-01-2010 , 04:52 PM






When I try to backup a table, as root, I get the following message:

The storage engine for the table doesn't support backup

How do I change this?

Thank you...

Bruce

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Default Re: Backup problem - 12-01-2010 , 05:55 PM






On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:52:35 -0800 (PST), bruce wrote:
Quote:
When I try to backup a table, as root, I get the following message:

The storage engine for the table doesn't support backup

How do I change this?
Change what? The error message? Change that the storage engine doesn't
support backup? Change what storage engine your table is using?

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Default Re: Backup problem - 12-06-2010 , 11:06 AM



On Dec 1, 5:55*pm, "Peter H. Coffin" <hell... (AT) ninehells (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:52:35 -0800 (PST), bruce wrote:
When I try to backup a table, as root, I get the following message:

The storage engine for the table doesn't support backup

How do I change this?

Change what? The error message? Change that the storage engine doesn't
support backup? Change what storage engine your table is using?

Peter's is the sort of reply that is not only unhelpful, it
discourages people from asking questions in the first place. Bruce
may not have provided enough information to adequately supply an
answer, but the question itself is pretty clear: How does one backup
tables when the engine cannot support the standard backup.

At the very least, a reply that used common decency would be
appreciated. To simply waste our time by being a jerk is not
appreciated.

I received the same error message when attempting to backup all tables
that use the InnoDB engine. I found the answer here:
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/...up-policy.html. Hopefully
this will point Bruce in the right direction.

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Jerry Stuckle
 
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Default Re: Backup problem - 12-06-2010 , 12:39 PM



On 12/6/2010 12:06 PM, Joel Finkel wrote:
Quote:
On Dec 1, 5:55 pm, "Peter H. Coffin"<hell... (AT) ninehells (DOT) com> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:52:35 -0800 (PST), bruce wrote:
When I try to backup a table, as root, I get the following message:

The storage engine for the table doesn't support backup

How do I change this?

Change what? The error message? Change that the storage engine doesn't
support backup? Change what storage engine your table is using?


Peter's is the sort of reply that is not only unhelpful, it
discourages people from asking questions in the first place. Bruce
may not have provided enough information to adequately supply an
answer, but the question itself is pretty clear: How does one backup
tables when the engine cannot support the standard backup.

At the very least, a reply that used common decency would be
appreciated. To simply waste our time by being a jerk is not
appreciated.

I received the same error message when attempting to backup all tables
that use the InnoDB engine. I found the answer here:
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/...up-policy.html. Hopefully
this will point Bruce in the right direction.

No, Peter's response is spot on. Is your error message caused by the
same problem the original op's was? As there are a number of causes for
this message, chances are very good you have an entirely different problem.

Providing sufficient information at the start means we don't have to go
back and continue asking more questions. See:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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Joel Finkel
 
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Default Re: Backup problem - 12-06-2010 , 10:46 PM



I do not want to start a flame war, but Peter's response was:

"Change what? The error message? Change that the storage engine
doesn't support backup?"

Now, please, does anyone really think that Bruce wanted to change the
error message? Does anyone seriously think that Bruce wanted to add
backup support to the storage engine? Of course not. That sort of
answer is read as it is intended: "You stupid twit, come back when you
know what question to ask."

It would have been helpful to explain that that error message can be
caused by several things, and suggested specific things to look at.

I am reminded of when I asked a question of the Rdb/VMS devos in
1985. Being one of the very first people to use that cutting-edge
relational database in the field (and for a very large client and very
real deadlines), I got a similar flip answer to an important
question. A colleague of mine chastised the person who had basically
told me to RTFM, and, 25 years later, I am thanking him in kind.

/Joel Finkel

Now I don't know but I've been told
It's hard to run with the weight of gold
Other hand I heard it said
It's just as hard with the weight of lead
- Robert Hunter


On Dec 6, 12:39*pm, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck... (AT) attglobal (DOT) net> wrote:
Quote:
On 12/6/2010 12:06 PM, Joel Finkel wrote:



On Dec 1, 5:55 pm, "Peter H. Coffin"<hell... (AT) ninehells (DOT) com> *wrote:
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:52:35 -0800 (PST), bruce wrote:
When I try to backup a table, as root, I get the following message:

The storage engine for the table doesn't support backup

How do I change this?

Change what? The error message? Change that the storage engine doesn't
support backup? Change what storage engine your table is using?

Peter's is the sort of reply that is not only unhelpful, it
discourages people from asking questions in the first place. *Bruce
may not have provided enough information to adequately supply an
answer, but the question itself is pretty clear: How does one backup
tables when the engine cannot support the standard backup.

At the very least, a reply that used common decency would be
appreciated. *To simply waste our time by being a jerk is not
appreciated.

I received the same error message when attempting to backup all tables
that use the InnoDB engine. I found the answer here:
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/...up-policy.html. *Hopefully
this will point Bruce in the right direction.

No, Peter's response is spot on. *Is your error message caused by the
same problem the original op's was? *As there are a number of causes for
this message, chances are very good you have an entirely different problem.

Providing sufficient information at the start means we don't have to go
back and continue asking more questions. See:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

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Jerry Stuckle
 
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Default Re: Backup problem - 12-07-2010 , 06:19 AM



On 12/6/2010 11:46 PM, Joel Finkel wrote:
Quote:
On Dec 6, 12:39 pm, Jerry Stuckle<jstuck... (AT) attglobal (DOT) net> wrote:
On 12/6/2010 12:06 PM, Joel Finkel wrote:



On Dec 1, 5:55 pm, "Peter H. Coffin"<hell... (AT) ninehells (DOT) com> wrote:
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 14:52:35 -0800 (PST), bruce wrote:
When I try to backup a table, as root, I get the following message:

The storage engine for the table doesn't support backup

How do I change this?

Change what? The error message? Change that the storage engine doesn't
support backup? Change what storage engine your table is using?

Peter's is the sort of reply that is not only unhelpful, it
discourages people from asking questions in the first place. Bruce
may not have provided enough information to adequately supply an
answer, but the question itself is pretty clear: How does one backup
tables when the engine cannot support the standard backup.

At the very least, a reply that used common decency would be
appreciated. To simply waste our time by being a jerk is not
appreciated.

I received the same error message when attempting to backup all tables
that use the InnoDB engine. I found the answer here:
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/...up-policy.html. Hopefully
this will point Bruce in the right direction.

No, Peter's response is spot on. Is your error message caused by the
same problem the original op's was? As there are a number of causes for
this message, chances are very good you have an entirely different problem.

Providing sufficient information at the start means we don't have to go
back and continue asking more questions. See:

http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

I do not want to start a flame war, but Peter's response was:

"Change what? The error message? Change that the storage engine
doesn't support backup?"

Now, please, does anyone really think that Bruce wanted to change the
error message? Does anyone seriously think that Bruce wanted to add
backup support to the storage engine? Of course not. That sort of
answer is read as it is intended: "You stupid twit, come back when you
know what question to ask."

It would have been helpful to explain that that error message can be
caused by several things, and suggested specific things to look at.

I am reminded of when I asked a question of the Rdb/VMS devos in
1985. Being one of the very first people to use that cutting-edge
relational database in the field (and for a very large client and very
real deadlines), I got a similar flip answer to an important
question. A colleague of mine chastised the person who had basically
told me to RTFM, and, 25 years later, I am thanking him in kind.

/Joel Finkel

Now I don't know but I've been told
It's hard to run with the weight of gold
Other hand I heard it said
It's just as hard with the weight of lead
- Robert Hunter


top posting fixed

Yes, I read Peter's post. And it was spot on.

And if you're too lazy to RTFM, I would suggest you not come around
here. We are not your unpaid consultants.

Also - you were not one of the first to use rdb technology if you only
started in 1985. IBM had it on mainframes several years before that.
Maybe it was "cutting edge" to you - but not for much of the mainframe
world.

P.S. Please don't top post.


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Luuk
 
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Default Re: Backup problem - 12-07-2010 , 08:09 AM



On 07-12-10 13:19, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
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We are not your unpaid consultants
you're not alone here....

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Joel Finkel
 
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Default Re: Backup problem - 12-07-2010 , 10:29 AM



Jerry writes:

Quote:
And if you're too lazy to RTFM, I would suggest you not come around
here. We are not your unpaid consultants.
You fail to understand that this material is so vast and so
complicated that many people do not even know how to find the proper
documentation, how to use it, or know how to ask the proper question.
Some people cannot understand the documentation, sometimes the
documentation is inadequate, and, yes, sometimes it is wrong.

In fact, groups like this ARE "staffed" by unpaid consultants. That
is the POINT of groups like this. People give freely of their time
and knowledge to those who need assistance. Does this give them
license to be rude? I think not.

But your suggestion is basically that people do not come around here
to ask questions because you are not being paid to answer them. Thank
you for letting us know who is, and is not, welcome here. Let the
chochums talk amongst themselves.

/Joel Finkel
That's why if you please, I am on my bended knees,
Bertha don't you come around here anymore.
- Robert Hunter

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Jerry Stuckle
 
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Default Re: Backup problem - 12-07-2010 , 12:20 PM



On 12/7/2010 11:29 AM, Joel Finkel wrote:
Quote:
Jerry writes:

And if you're too lazy to RTFM, I would suggest you not come around
here. We are not your unpaid consultants.

You fail to understand that this material is so vast and so
complicated that many people do not even know how to find the proper
documentation, how to use it, or know how to ask the proper question.
Some people cannot understand the documentation, sometimes the
documentation is inadequate, and, yes, sometimes it is wrong.

Oh, I understand completely. I've been looking though documentation
like this for over 40 years.

Quote:
In fact, groups like this ARE "staffed" by unpaid consultants. That
is the POINT of groups like this. People give freely of their time
and knowledge to those who need assistance. Does this give them
license to be rude? I think not.

No, this group is staffed by people who help people. But we will not do
your work for you. Freeloaders don't get any help here. Neither do
idiots who come in and start criticizing the members of this group right
off the bat - or people who think they can get free consulting.

Quote:
But your suggestion is basically that people do not come around here
to ask questions because you are not being paid to answer them. Thank
you for letting us know who is, and is not, welcome here. Let the
chochums talk amongst themselves.

No, I answer a lot of questions. But I answer questions for people who
ask smart questions (see the link I provided earlier) and who have
already tried to find the answer on your own.

Quote:
/Joel Finkel
That's why if you please, I am on my bended knees,
Bertha don't you come around here anymore.
- Robert Hunter
If you want a consultant, pay for a consultant.

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Default Re: Backup problem - 12-07-2010 , 02:49 PM



On Mon, 06 Dec 2010 09:06:58 -0800, Joel Finkel wrote:

Quote:
I received the same error message when attempting to backup all tables
that use the InnoDB engine. I found the answer here:
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/...up-policy.html.

Thank you, sir.

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