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Re: Anybody gave up MDB+MDW to go ACCDB+Sharepoint -
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There was a writeup in a Boston Computer User Society magazine about SQL in the early 80's, but didn't take notice of it until I started using Access. |
saw someone using it to hand update some records. Whereas I would've
used the built in utilities.
Tony
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Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files
updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/
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Albert, we obviously have a chronological "disconnect" here -- in the days of computer "pioneers", there _were no_ home computers for anyone to bring into the workplace. |
of people now.
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But, I understand what you are saying: the incredible timewasting of social networking is finding its way back into the workplace... thank goodness for technological progress; we need it just to overcome the new and ingenious ways people will invent to waste time. (Do any offices, these days, have a "watercooler" for people to stand around and chat?) Larry |
out to people when I point out the sky is blue, I not telling people to like
the color blue or even go out and purchase blue clothing!
So I just do not give one care about two people making a date on a computer
or using Facebook to tell all their friends they just bought a new dress.
However, I do care when customers ask me why my booking software does not
work when they take their lap top home
my old answer: well the old back end mdb file share is sitting on a shared
folder at work (on the other end of the phone I hear crickets, as they have
no clue what I just said).
New answer:
I am hosting the sql back end in the cloud (I been doing this for about 5+
years now), and they NEVER call me to ask why the application works, it just
does work and they do not care despite me thinking this is oh so very cool.
I have customers that have NEVER even asked where the data is!
The IT department cares when they issued outlook + exchange and employees
are setting up events and forums to deal with customers on those social
media systems. Going back to the original point here the point here is that
these consumers and what systems they use are now effecting how those same
people will get productive work done in the work place. And MORE important
it is effecting their expectations and even what kinds of software systems
they will use in the workplace to accomplish their work goals.
So, at the end of the day here, my point is not earth shattering or some big
huge deal. It also not the end all either.
It is a very simple statement I made that consumer computer use is now
spilling over into the workplace and effecting our industry we work in. And
I am finding that even their choices and what they are asking me to deliver
is being effected by those trends.
And while we at this: if we really honest, the idea that hosted servers is
some new big next thing is a cruel joke. When I started out in this
industry, few had computers and the ones that did where using time share
systems and connecting up to a large server that had a funny name back then
(it was called a mainframe).
If there is any egg on our industry and some humor here? It seems our
industry is moving back to its original layout of large shared resources.
About the only difference is we now have smarter clients that are not really
dumb terminals, but other then that?
I cannot say the trend in terms of shared resources and the march towards
having some really big computer box in some huge special computer room is
anything new at all!
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Albert D. Kallal (Access MVP)
Edmonton, Alberta Canada
Pleasenospam_kallal (AT) msn (DOT) com
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"James A. Fortune" <CDMAPos... (AT) FortuneJames (DOT) com> wrote innews:fc24bba3-621e-4558-9e29-a920fe76b92a (AT) i35g2000prd (DOT) googlegroups.co m: "The iPad's share of the market dropped from 96% to 75% in the fourth quarter last year, according to the report." This puzzles me. Apple has basically invented a new product class, so they have virtually 100% of the market share. That they now have competitors doesn't really mean that they will feel any pressure whatsoever to open up their platform. For pity's sake, their flagship Macs have what, 5% or 10% of the market? And that hasn't resulted in their opening up the platform, so I think there's a long way to go before any competitive pressure on the iPad could cause them to open it up. And I doubt they'd do it even if they dropped to 1% of the market, because it's simply completely inconsistent with the entire technological philosophy behind all Apple products. In other words, it's never going to happen. Ever. -- David W. Fenton * * * * * * * * *http://www.dfenton.com/ contact via website only * *http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/ |
The points you make, make a lot of sense - i.e., the points
themselves, not the logic of Apple's choices. Although I tend overall
to favor early adopters, especially originators, I think that the
Android OS along with it's development model will relegate all MacOS
based phones to that of just another competitor, if that. An addition
of a separate Android OS based iPad, together with the kind of
innovative push that got them their original lead would be tough to
beat. But I suspect that you're correct that they will cling doggedly
to the MacOS.
James A. Fortune
CDMAPoster (AT) FortuneJames (DOT) com
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On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 14:20:09 -0800 (PST), "James A. Fortune" CDMAPos... (AT) FortuneJames (DOT) com> wrote: There was a writeup in a Boston Computer User Society magazine about SQL in the early 80's, but didn't take notice of it until I started using Access. The IBM S/38 supported SQL at least in 1990 and probably earlier. *I saw someone using it to hand update some records. *Whereas I would've used the built in utilities. Tony -- Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP Tony's Main MS Access pages -http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm Tony's Microsoft Access Blog -http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/ For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files * updated seehttp://www.autofeupdater.com/ |
across it I'll share the highlights of the article. It's much easier
to evaluate it's predictions at this point in time :-).
James A. Fortune
CDMAPoster (AT) FortuneJames (DOT) com
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So I just do not give one care about two people making a date on a computer or using Facebook to tell all their friends they just bought a new dress. |
my other friends that I just bought a new dress. <GRIN>
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?"David-W-Fenton" wrote in message news:Xns9EA5BBFCE2D7Bf99a49ed1d0c49c5bbb2 (AT) 74 (DOT) 209.136.91... But the main driving force is the technological innnovation. Where it was adopted first is really incidental. Well it is not incidental in in the context of my whole point. My WHOLE point is that those consumers are bringing those trends to the work place. You see, we work in this industry and those employees are now asking me if my software will work on their Mac computer. Those employees are now asking if they can use my software on their iPhone. Those employees now ask me if my booking calendar can be used just like the Google docs one in different locations. In fact to these new users, even the concept of desktop and web based system is something they do not understand (or care about). They just do not get why when they bring their laptop home that they cannot share the Access application data like everything else they are using. |
Macs for as long as I've been using Access (since 1996), running on
their PDAs since PDAs became widely used (in the 1998-2000 time
frame) and running on their smart phones for the last 3 or 4 years.
I don't see anything new here at all.
And my answer to this is Windows Terminal Server. There's a Remote
Desktop client for iPhone, so it is possible, though certainly I
doubt that an app designed to run full-screen in Windows is going to
work very well on RDP on an iPhone screen, but it would surely work
decently on an iPad.
Now, I also remember back c. 1991 when I was programming in
character-based Paradox (with absolutely no mouse support) and had
several people who were Mac users before they got their jobs there
and just couldn't get used to it. Funny, though, how much of the
Internet a few years later was originally character-based (my first
web browsing was in Lynx, and it was AMAZING to me, even if it was
in a text-based terminal window over a 2400-baud modem).
Certain kinds of users were never exposed to that, of course, but
many were. My point is simply that we keep having this same thing
happen over and over again, and it's just not that big an issue from
my point of view.
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So, yes, those expectations and what they asking their employer to provide for them to get their work done is spilling into their work place. In case you missed the point, we are the ones building and meeting the demands of what those companies are asking me to build for them. And those employees go their boss to get approval and ask for what they need and want to get the job done. And they ask for things in the context of what they been using outside of work. |
clients are all OLD FARTS just like me.
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The company might issue Exchange for use with Outlook, and then employees are still using Facebook to organize company events. In fact, in some companies, the IT department is having to deal with people not even wanting to use the systems being issued to them, and are even having ban use of alternative systems. Some I know just like they ban Access, are also having to do the same with some of these alternative systems they use outside of work. |
wanting email and other functions going through outside websites
that are beyond their control. They are COMPLETELY reasonable in
laying down that restriction (in contrast to the ban on Access,
which is really not reasonable at all).
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In the past, you were issued outlook or some email account, and did not start using your own email account or some other software system for work, and yet we see this occurring to day. |
office through anything but a Gmail account. Half my phone
conversations with them are over their cell phones.
I consider this bad management, not the future.
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As I said, it is a new trend that we in the IT industry will have to be aware of and often have to deal with. |
managed in a few years, just like Blackberry did.
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David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
contact via website only http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
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I 100% agree that social media stuff is a waste of time. |
it's not. There are valuable things on TV -- it all depends on what
you watch. Likewise, with social media, it depends on how you use
it. Many businesses are doing a good job of using it to penetrate
markets that they might otherwise be closed out of. I think it's
also a necessity for all sorts of purposes.
For me, it mostly replaces older social forums (Usenet), but also
allows wider connections. For instance, a friend recently moved to
Prague, and it certainly makes it easier for me to keep up with
what's going on with her as she adjusts to a new job in a new city
in a new country. That's purely a social relationship, but it's a
function that is translatable for business purposes.
I see nothing wrong there at all.
It's just going to take some time for it to become clear how it all
works.
And I highly recommend that anybody who scoffs at Twitter and
Facebook should really try it. You can't dismiss it if you don't
know what it is. However, it's social networking, so if you don't
network socially, you'll never get the point.
For Access developers, LinkedIn.com might be a better place to
start. That's not really "social" networking, it's just networking,
but many of the basic concepts and functions are exposed there.
I didn't want to try FaceBook, but when I did, I liked it. On the
other hand, Twitter didn't hold my interest after a couple of weeks
-- too much noise with too little content. But maybe I didn't give
it sufficient time, or follow the right people, or whatever. Or
maybe I just didn't get a Twitter client that made it easy to use it
the way I would have liked.
I do know that many other people find Twitter useful, and I'm not
going to tell them they don't just because it's not useful to me.
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David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
contact via website only http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
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The points you make, make a lot of sense - i.e., the points themselves, not the logic of Apple's choices. Although I tend overall to favor early adopters, especially originators, I think that the Android OS along with it's development model will relegate all MacOS based phones to that of just another competitor, if that. |
Which is it?
Betamax or Windows?
(i.e., base of class, but loses out to something else, or just good
enough and beats the "superior" competitors)
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An addition of a separate Android OS based iPad, together with the kind of innovative push that got them their original lead would be tough to beat. But I suspect that you're correct that they will cling doggedly to the MacOS. |
developed for the iPhone.
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David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
contact via website only http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
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"James A. Fortune" <CDMAPos... (AT) FortuneJames (DOT) com> wrote innews:fccae451-0ca3-4cb5-b633-a0240d36d55e (AT) o30g2000pra (DOT) googlegroups.co m: The points you make, make a lot of sense - i.e., the points themselves, not the logic of Apple's choices. *Although I tend overall to favor early adopters, especially originators, I think that the Android OS along with it's development model will relegate all MacOS based phones to that of just another competitor, if that. To me, the question about Android is: Which is it? Betamax or Windows? (i.e., base of class, but loses out to something else, or just good enough and beats the "superior" competitors) |
perhaps to make it fit. That bodes well for openness, but doesn't
guarantee superiority. Microsoft is coming in a little late to the
game, but have the capability of producing something better, the
historic stability of linux compared to Windows notwithstanding.
Microsoft will be a viable competitor if they make it easy to program
apps, even if the OS is not superior if history is any indicator :-).
As I said in one of the Access NG's a while back, the phone OS's are
going to parallel those used by Apple, linux and Windows.
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*An addition of a separate Android OS based iPad, together with the kind of innovative push that got them their original lead would be tough to beat. *But I suspect that you're correct that they will cling doggedly to the MacOS. The iPad does not use MacOS. It uses iOS, the mobile OS first developed for the iPhone. |
this thread. I stand corrected. I confused the computer OS with the
phone OS.
James A. Fortune
CDMAPoster (AT) FortuneJames (DOT) com
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