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Re: Access 2010 for software development -
10-16-2010
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"David-W-Fenton" <NoEmail (AT) SeeSignature (DOT) invalid> wrote "Are desktop applications getting obsolete? Absolutely not. Anyone who thinks so, must use only really trivial desktop apps. I've dealt with some not exactly "trivial" in complexity, but "very simple" desktop apps that were absolutely vital to the clients' businesses. Maybe it isn't application complexity to which you are referring, David, but to importance to the business. |
next-big-thing innovations) can replace desktop apps is usually not
looking at apps of any degree of complexity in regard to UI.
My point has nothing at all to do with importance to the business,
only with the fact that desktop apps can still do plenty of things
that the alternatives cannot do well at all.
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David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
contact via website only http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
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"Albert D. Kallal" <PleaseNOOOsPAMmkallal (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote in news:Rzbuo.1382$jw4.1319 (AT) newsfe21 (DOT) iad: Actually, the problem is I am using live mail 2011, and it is beta. There are some things that are broken (such as the quoting, and there even some re-plot errors). But implementing default quoting the is not in line with Internet conventions is something that MS email clients have been doing since it first introduced an Internet email client (well, I must admit I don't know what the client for MS Mail was back in the Win3.x days, but that wasn't Internet mail). |
years and years have used outlook express.
Quite sure most people from me to Larry and others and really never had an
issue or problem here.
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However, it does have some nice settings that allows threads posted to be bumped to the top, but remain as a thread view. An advantage for you, the user, but not for those who are reading you. |
displays messages to me (I well understand your above is in the context of
how things are being posted here, not how my reader works internally for
me). Having a new post bubble up (like most web based forums) is now become
a preference for me (and this preference change of mine is likely due to
spending time in web forums). I now prefer this type of setting for posts to
bump to the top. I am finding out that I was missing a lot of responses and
posts to older threads that have scrolled well off the screen.
So, live mail allows those new posts to pull the thread back up to the top
of the reader (but display remains as a thread)
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Every version I of OE I ever saw came with non-conformant default settings for quoting. |
people have used OE for many years in this group without an issue.
The main issue here is this is in beta, and NONE of the quoting options
works for plain text work. They simply are not working. However like
everything in life, I take certain compromises, but find that other
advantages and other features currently outweigh the shortcomings for me.
So, I working on the posts to make them more readable.
I noted the thread bumping, spell checking and several other features are
simply better in live mail for me. Windows 7 voice dictation behaves VERY
well with this new product. In fact, it was Windows voice dictation that
finally got me off of outlook 2003, and moved me up to outlook 2010 (the
voice system was hanging and not at all liking outlook 2003 - it worked, but
just not great).
The same issues and problems were also occurring with outlook express
compared to a live mail in regards to voice dictation. Voice just works so
much better in the new products (The new code is written to newer standards,
and things such as the voice system looking ahead and learning of words in
the document work far better in new products with voice) I found in older
products, when voice looks at existing text, it can often hang up - I can
disable some of these options in voice, but then the overall dictation
system doesn't work as well).
However at the end of the day, as you note not having readable posts rather
puts a damper on every other issue at stake here anyway.
Regardless, I am working on the post formatting issue(s).
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Albert D. Kallal (Access MVP)
Edmonton, Alberta Canada
Pleasenospam_kallal (AT) msn (DOT) com
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?"David-W-Fenton" wrote in message news:Xns9E13C7F6F5FD0f99a49ed1d0c49c5bbb2 (AT) 74 (DOT) 209.136.94... "Albert D. Kallal" <PleaseNOOOsPAMmkallal (AT) msn (DOT) com> wrote in news:Rzbuo.1382$jw4.1319 (AT) newsfe21 (DOT) iad: Actually, the problem is I am using live mail 2011, and it is beta. There are some things that are broken (such as the quoting, and there even some re-plot errors). But implementing default quoting the is not in line with Internet conventions is something that MS email clients have been doing since it first introduced an Internet email client (well, I must admit I don't know what the client for MS Mail was back in the Win3.x days, but that wasn't Internet mail). It is not too bad. Remember a very high proportion of the posters here for years and years have used outlook express. |
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Quite sure most people from me to Larry and others and really never had an issue or problem here. |
frequently, and it's basically an offshoot of OE's bad design (i.e.,
top-posting by default, in other words, ignoring Internet
conventions established long before OE was created).
Don't get me wrong, top-posting has it's place (in some kinds of
email contexts), but Usenet is not one of them.
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However, it does have some nice settings that allows threads posted to be bumped to the top, but remain as a thread view. An advantage for you, the user, but not for those who are reading you. The above is something that the users here never see, it just how the reader displays messages to me (I well understand your above is in the context of how things are being posted here, not how my reader works internally for me). Having a new post bubble up (like most web based forums) is now become a preference for me (and this preference change of mine is likely due to spending time in web forums). I now prefer this type of setting for posts to bump to the top. I am finding out that I was missing a lot of responses and posts to older threads that have scrolled well off the screen. So, live mail allows those new posts to pull the thread back up to the top of the reader (but display remains as a thread) |
ago.
Whoopeee!!!!
My news reader, xNews, which is not quite as venerable as those
UNIX-based newsreaders, has always worked that way.
You're crowing over a fix to a news reader that was substandard to
begin with. Microsoft never seems to have made any study of prior
art in creating it's mail clients and newsreaders, so they've made a
number of errors in areas that were solved problems, as well as
failing to implement UI innovations that would help people use their
products, innovations that were old when they got in the business in
the first place (mid-90s).
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Every version I of OE I ever saw came with non-conformant default settings for quoting. I never really noticed this as an issue. As noted, a lot of regulars and people have used OE for many years in this group without an issue. |
avoidance of standard Internet quoting style, in favor of block
quoting after an attribution block.
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The main issue here is this is in beta, and NONE of the quoting options works for plain text work. They simply are not working. However like everything in life, I take certain compromises, but find that other advantages and other features currently outweigh the shortcomings for me. So, I working on the posts to make them more readable. |
who want to read your posts are the ones having the problems.
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I noted the thread bumping, spell checking and several other features are simply better in live mail for me. |
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Regardless, I am working on the post formatting issue(s). |
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David W. Fenton http://www.dfenton.com/
contact via website only http://www.dfenton.com/DFA/
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You can import custom toolbars into 2010 and they appear behind the "Add-On" button on the main ribbon. I have found no way to edit them in 2010 and a simple thing like changing a forms toolbar using VBA does not work. So in my case the ribbon is mandatory. Cr*p. For my security module, I either hide, remove, or disable menu picks depending on what group the user is a part of. I use CommandBars("Lodge-ical MainMenu").Controls(strMenuName).Controls(strMenuI tem).Enabled = True I hope that is still doable or we will be staying with Access 2003! |
but the syntax is different. However, I built a ribbon class that allows
near the same syntax as we had before.
You can find my article + ribbon class here:
http://www.members.shaw.ca/albertKal...bon/ribbon.htm
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Albert D. Kallal (Access MVP)
Edmonton, Alberta Canada
Pleasenospam_kallal (AT) msn (DOT) com
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Just wanted to throw this into the mix, but the compiled binaries for 64bit and 32bit MDE / AccDE seem not to be the same. Do they need separate runtimes? I am guessing yes but since I dont yet have 2007 / 2010 I just thought I'd ask for a little clarity here. The Frog |
The way this works can be extremely confusing, however to make a very long
story very short, just keep in mind that the only issue that crops up is not
the OS (32 or 64).
However if a person adopts the 64 bit version of office (quite rare), then
yes you do have to compile accDE for that 64 bit edition. In other words an
mdb, or accDB should run fine on either addition (the source code is
available, so it can re-compile on demand as needed).
However when you create an accDE, then it must be compiled for the specific
version of office (as mentioned and noted it does not matter what os such as
32 or 64, but what what ONLY matters is the accDE match the version of
office that the accDE is going to run on.
So, you must compile a 64 bit accDE for 64 bit office.
So, you must compile a 32 bit accDE for 32 bit office.
Of course, the 64 or 32 bit of office can run on a 64 bit machine.
And of course the 64 bit version of office can't run on a 32 bit OS.
Regardless, in all cases, for an accDE, you must compile to the version of
access 32 or 64. You also can't mix parts of office such as 64 Excel and 32
bit Word from the SAME version of office (in this case 2010).
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Albert D. Kallal (Access MVP)
Edmonton, Alberta Canada
Pleasenospam_kallal (AT) msn (DOT) com
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I guess the reason I can't get it to work is because my apps never have a complete set of menus/toolbars. |
File, print, exit, cut, copy and paste.
Tony
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Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files
updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/
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I have been considering purchasing FMS-Inc's Total Access Emailer to improve our product as some clients don't use Outlook and have trouble sending emails from our product. Any way, it looks very powerful but it is sort of a bummer that their user interface can not be distributed with an MDE. Maybe we can offer our own service. |
http://www.granite.ab.ca/access/email.htm
Tony
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Tony Toews, Microsoft Access MVP
Tony's Main MS Access pages - http://www.granite.ab.ca/accsmstr.htm
Tony's Microsoft Access Blog - http://msmvps.com/blogs/access/
For a convenient utility to keep your users FEs and other files
updated see http://www.autofeupdater.com/
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