I see Rick's book is available from Amazon now. They slashed the price
too.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/SQL-Guide-In.../dp/0557070430

I've added a review.

--
Roy

UK Ingres User Association Conference 2010 will be on Tuesday June 8 2010
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Roy, the book is on Amazon for quite some time - I got it from there one
or two months ago... Good book.

However, I wish someone writes an advanced Ingres book, from which
Ingres users could learn about good practices in both Ingres
administration and application development, explaining how to boost
performance, how to use various tools to boost performance, etc.

You already did a good job explaining how to tune Ingres in your
presentation. You could write a book...


--
dejan

Ingres Forums wrote:
[snip]
Undoubtedly, but perhaps Ingres Corp. should look at Mindview, Inc.
(Bruce Eckel) and release their INGRES and OpenROAD training materials
as Open Source under Creative Commons.


Mark R. Winston
www.datavailable.com

Mark R. Winston wrote:
Ingres, isn't quite Mindview (doesn't MindView == Bruce Eckel)?

There's an eco- structure around training that inolves customer
relationships and sales, so why would ingres give some of that away?

As for Roy writing a book.

He could write a book and have say 200 people buy it.
He could pass on the same info to 50 people through training courses and
act as a consultant to some of them.

Which is the most attractive route?

On net wrote:
Ummm, yes, hence my reference.

Because MindView proves the Open Source training ecosystem, i.e. Ingres
Corp. would likely see training revenues and sales leads increase as a
result. This isn't a new idea, as other companies, even those in other
industries, have successfully used a "loss leader".


Mark R. Winston
www.datavailable.com

On net wrote:


Not going to happen. Too busy. Too lazy.

--
Roy

UK Ingres User Association Conference 2010 will be on Tuesday June 8 2010
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I second the thought about releasing the Ingres and OpenROAD training courses. They're top notch.

By only making that material available through corporate training courses, private individuals are effectively barred from entry. My greatest fear is to get a buddy excited about either of these products and then ask me for pointers on getting started. There's documentation available, but it's virtually all reference material unsuitable for learners.

I'd love to see these courses turned into book form and published by O'Reilly, Apress, Manning, or some other outfit. I can find no end of literature on any aspect of running and scaling a SQL Server, MySQL, or Oracle rig to deal with any eventuality. This is absolutely vital for winning mindshare among developers and admins.

The argument I have been hearing over the past few years is that Ingres would lose an important revenue stream by making the material affordable to Joe Q. Public.

I don't buy it. Mike Flower and Sean Thrower for a week vs a pile of books? Get real.

My company sent me on the courses because I needed to get my chops up to professional standards as fast and effectively as possible. They sent me off even though we actually have most of the material available from colleagues who had gone earlier and no dearth of insanely qualified in-house trainers ourselves. It worked, and I'm still picked up Rick's book at the last UKIUA.

We hear a lot about open source and open standards from Ingres, but I think they're missing a third leg: open documentation. I'd pick SQLite over Ingres and PHP over OpenROAD any day of the week if it came down to a choice between the known and the unknown.

If you want people to adopt and continue to use you products, empower them.


- Roy Deal Simon,
Bording Data, DK.


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Emne: Re: [Info-Ingres] Rick van der Lans' Ingres book on Amazon

Ingres Forums wrote:
[snip]
Undoubtedly, but perhaps Ingres Corp. should look at Mindview, Inc.
(Bruce Eckel) and release their INGRES and OpenROAD training materials
as Open Source under Creative Commons.


Mark R. Winston
www.datavailable.com

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You ought to think about it. Once you write a book, people think you
are smart. I know; I've done it for years And the royalties are
more than my 401-k retirement plan. But so is my bar bill at a
conference