I can see the headlines now:- "Ingres Guru accused of arson flees country"

déjà vu?

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"David Richard" <Richard.David (AT) aah (DOT) co.uk> wrote

Déjà vu, all over again.

R.

I think the headline should probably read

"Ingres Guru wallows in Ashes!"

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I can see the headlines now:- "Ingres Guru accused of arson flees country"
déjà vu?

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"Gibson Jonathan" <Jonathan.Gibson (AT) hiscox (DOT) com> wrote

I don't think Marty is a follower of cricket. Not even the ladies team.

Roy

On 14 Sep 2005 at 15:04, Roy Hann wrote:

into a period of mourning, reflection and denial.

Not even the ladies
I like it when they bowl maidens over.

Hi Roy,

Idle! How can a father of three such darling children be idle?
Sounds good, I've just started looking at the OME to make user
functions - the user data stuff looked way to scary.
Sounds like a married man. You know your wrong, its only a
matter of waiting to be told exactly how your wrong.

These days, mine just whacks me over the nose with a rolled
up newspaper and says NO in a firm loud voice.
Is that 'Barn Burning' in a good sense, or 'Barn Burning' as in
"We're Screwed!"?

I suppose as long as the Scots don't recind the treaty of Union
and start launching cross border raids to burn barns, we'll consider it a
good thing.

Marty

<martin.bowes (AT) ctsu (DOT) ox.ac.uk> wrote


Don't be oily. It doesn't suit you.

OME is a whole different (and very important) kettle of fish. Ingres needs
"an" OME, just not the one it's got. The current one is unusable for a
variety of reasons--and you've pointed out one. (See "Domains, and Why we
Need Them", presented by Tony Douglas and me at the 2003 Autumn UKIUA.)

I have some hope that the "complex type" support that is often mentioned as
being one of the reasons for collaborating with JBoss will give us something
better. I have no idea if that is going anywhere, nor where to look to find
out.

But my presentation next month is much more down-to-earth. It assumes only
the usual 1950s era data types that standard SQL provides. I don't even
call for the BLOb types.

It must work, because I've walked around your flat without mishap.

Roy

Roy Hann wrote:


We REALLY need SQLJ extensions for Ingres. This would allow

- much safer and easier OME functionality
- stored procs written in a REAL language

Sybase and Oracle both fully support SQLJ. It isn't perfect, but it is
better than
using something like OME which is essentially user-written C code
running in the
server! Think about one bad pointer writing into the DMF cache ...

Mike Leo
Caribou Lake LLC

"Michael Leo" <mleo (AT) cariboulake (DOT) com> wrote

What makes you think that? Am I *so* unreasonable? :-) Or perhaps you were
thinking of Tony; yes, there you may get an argument.

You'll have to explain how SQLJ helps. I mean it. Can you give us a quick
capsule summary of it? I have only the sketchiest idea what it does, and no
idea at all how it would help here.

Only as real as C#. And I would object violently to C#. I am not sure why
I shouldn't react equally vigorously to Java. Lee Fesperman's excellent
work notwithstanding, I am not persuaded that Java is the ideal language for
just defining types, which is all that is necessary. Java may be the least
bad of the widely-known languages (and then again maybe it isn't).

One of these days maybe we can get Tony to make the case for the ML family
of languages...

That's just one of the more serious problems. Ditto infinite looping. And
what about portability between platforms? Forget it.

Roy

Hi Roy, Mike et al
That makes two of us.

I'm all for safety by encapsulating the user changes, but I'm at
a loss to see how this could be done. But I'm not that smart. I just read
the OME manual and took the comment about thoroughly testing the
code on a test installation before installing on a production box *VERY*
seriously.

Another point would be - are we jumping at shadows. Hands up
everyone who has actually found a need for a UDT. I would bet the
answer is very, very few people. I think the '1950s datatypes' as
Rampaging Roy Hann calls them will satisfy the vast majority of us.

As a guess - and pure guesswork on this - I suspect that user
defined functions would be more common. I think an improved version
of soundex, or an equivalent function has been mentioned by a few.
Ditto a regex function - which is what I'm currently tinkering my way
towards. Hey, I havent even made a function that returns the integer 5
yet. I'm not a good programmer, that's why I went into DBA.

As an aside - are people tackling this sort of extended
functionality in OpenSource?

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