On Nov 18, 9:05*am, Joner Cyrre Worm <jonerw... (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Joner,

you don't have to explain to me how wikipedia works.
That's hilarious: You really want to tell me that we can't rename a
person after his death in Wikipedia? Very funny.
My comment was a reply to shusseina's comment who wrote:
"It's a pity the article about Jean Auguste Dominique Ingres is not
named exactly that or Ingres (French Painter) or something. Then the
article Ingres (database) could simply be Ingres."
I didn't recommend to rename the "Ingres" page (for the painter), but
was just joking - therefore the wink smilie - that we could rename
the painter instead.

Don't take comments containing smilies dead earnest.

Bodo.

On Nov 18, 7:25*am, Bodo <Bodo.Bergm... (AT) ingres (DOT) com> wrote:
Bodo:

Wikipedia has enough vandalism, and there is no need to suggest that
and put a smiley that you say that mean "Just kidding, don't do
that!". Thousands read posts here in search of opinions, help,
orientation and there is no need to give people "not ideas". At least
our posts finally made that clear, no harm intended, but to make
things clear.

Bodo;28681 Wrote:
The article's name *is* "Ingres". The "(database)" after it is only
for Wikipedia disambiguation. Just look at these other examples of such
usage:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cassandra_(database)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadfly_(database)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bento_(database)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helix_(database)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemstone_(database)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valentina_(database)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_(database)

Joe


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joe

Ingres Forums wrote:

I guess if wikipedia makes the mistake often enough it stops being
wrong.

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Roy Hann;28768 Wrote:
I don't see it as a mistake. The "_(database)" is simply a tag or
abbreviated category meant to disambiguate "enough". I see the tag as
an abbreviation for "database industry" so that a reader can quickly
tell what a topic URL may be about (the subject domain). Note, for
example, that Gemstone_(database) used to be
Gemstone_Database_Management_System, but it was changed for being "too
specific". For more, I'd suggest you check 'Wikipediaisambiguation -
Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipediaisambiguation) and
'Wikipedia:Naming conventions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia'
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikiped...g_conventions).

Joe


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joe

Ingres Forums wrote:

I am sure everyone is weary of this thread and I certainly dont' intend
saying anything more about it after this, but the use of the word
"database" in this context *is* incorrect except in the limited sense
that it is the same wrong term that Wikipedia always uses in this
situation. It is also longer than a perfectly correct and
understandable term that could have been used everywhere, namely DBMS.
Heck, even calling all these articles something like Ingres_(software)
would be better.

If wikipedia is going to aspire to authority and precision--as it does
if you look at the long-winded discussion pages--then it ought to be
interested in getting this right no matter how long or how often it
got it wrong in the past.

Not a relevant example as Gemstone is not a DBMS, although whoever made
that comment was right to object to the original name even though their
stated reason doesn't makes sense.

These are excellent guidelines but they don't promote the use of
incorrect terms, they just require the use of terms that would allow a
user to recognize which title they really want.

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