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Allan Biggs
 
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Default [Info-Ingres] Ingres v Mysql - 01-15-2009 , 08:39 AM






I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern context.

Anyone developing web based applications seems to have the choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of Ingres.

I am using PHP/Ingres at work - PHP is great - much faster to
develop/distribute with than OpenROAD for simple frames but .......


Ingres is losing / has lost in the web hosting market (with bundled
cpanel/phpmyadmin/perl/php/mysql) to my mind that is where all of the new
users are.

Be interesting to hear an Ingres view of this.


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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-15-2009 , 09:54 AM






On Jan 15, 2:39*pm, Allan Biggs <Allan.Bi... (AT) GBR (DOT) dupont.com> wrote:
Quote:
I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern context.

Anyone *developing web based applications seems to have *the choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of Ingres.

I am using PHP/Ingres at work - *PHP *is great - much faster to
develop/distribute *with than OpenROAD for simple frames but .......

Ingres is losing / has lost *in the web hosting market (with bundled
cpanel/phpmyadmin/perl/php/mysql) *to my mind that is where all of the new
users are.

Be interesting to hear an Ingres view of this.

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I agree.....as I pointed out in another post, Ingres is not included
with Ubuntu, wheres MySQL, PostgreSQL, and Firebird are..... I also
said this a couple of years back when using Suse......zzzzzzz

seems they are just happy with the status quo.....


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toby
 
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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-15-2009 , 11:16 AM



On Jan 15, 9:54 am, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
<michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 15, 2:39 pm, Allan Biggs <Allan.Bi... (AT) GBR (DOT) dupont.com> wrote:



I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern context.

Anyone developing web based applications seems to have the choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of Ingres.

I am using PHP/Ingres at work - PHP is great - much faster to
develop/distribute with than OpenROAD for simple frames but .......

Ingres is losing / has lost in the web hosting market (with bundled
cpanel/phpmyadmin/perl/php/mysql) to my mind that is where all of the new
users are.

Be interesting to hear an Ingres view of this.

Allan
...
I agree.....as I pointed out in another post, Ingres is not included
with Ubuntu, wheres MySQL, PostgreSQL, and Firebird are..... I also
said this a couple of years back when using Suse......zzzzzzz

seems they are just happy with the status quo.....
You mean included in a package database? Anyone can make Ingres
packages if they want to.

Also anyone can use Ingres in their web stack if they have a good
reason to do so.

As a business, more evangelism might get them to a distant 5th(?)
place, but I'm not an MBA and have no idea what their strategy is.
They did lose a smart guy in ex-CTO Dave Dargo, who seemed to solidly
grasp the possibilities of open source.


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Default Re: [Info-Ingres] Ingres v Mysql - 01-15-2009 , 11:34 AM




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Default Re: [Info-Ingres] Ingres v Mysql - 01-15-2009 , 11:44 AM



Allan Biggs wrote:

Quote:
I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern context.

Anyone developing web based applications seems to have the choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of Ingres.

I am using PHP/Ingres at work - PHP is great - much faster to
develop/distribute with than OpenROAD for simple frames but .......
This is probably along the lines of what some people here are yearning
for: http://www.techweb.com/article/showA...leID=212700950

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On Web
 
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Default Re: [Info-Ingres] Ingres v Mysql - 01-15-2009 , 11:55 AM



"Roy Hann" <specially (AT) processed (DOT) almost.meat> wrote

Quote:
Allan Biggs wrote:

I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern context.

Anyone developing web based applications seems to have the choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of Ingres.

I am using PHP/Ingres at work - PHP is great - much faster to
develop/distribute with than OpenROAD for simple frames but .......

This is probably along the lines of what some people here are yearning
for: http://www.techweb.com/article/showA...leID=212700950
That's certainly a step in the right direction, though ingres corp seem
almost shy about letting their user base know what they are doing.

Thanks Roy.
Quote:
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michaelnewport@yahoo.com
 
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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-15-2009 , 01:57 PM



On Jan 15, 5:16*pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 15, 9:54 am, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"



michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:39 pm, Allan Biggs <Allan.Bi... (AT) GBR (DOT) dupont.com> wrote:

I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern context.

Anyone *developing web based applications seems to have *the choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of Ingres.

I am using PHP/Ingres at work - *PHP *is great - much faster to
develop/distribute *with than OpenROAD for simple frames but ........

Ingres is losing / has lost *in the web hosting market (with bundled
cpanel/phpmyadmin/perl/php/mysql) *to my mind that is where all of the new
users are.

Be interesting to hear an Ingres view of this.

Allan
...
I agree.....as I pointed out in another post, Ingres is not included
with Ubuntu, wheres MySQL, PostgreSQL, and Firebird are..... I also
said this a couple of years back when using Suse......zzzzzzz

seems they are just happy with the status quo.....

You mean included in a package database? Anyone can make Ingres
packages if they want to.

Also anyone can use Ingres in their web stack if they have a good
reason to do so.

As a business, more evangelism might get them to a distant 5th(?)
place, but I'm not an MBA and have no idea what their strategy is.
They did lose a smart guy in ex-CTO Dave Dargo, who seemed to solidly
grasp the possibilities of open source.
exactly, if they don't push it then no-one will know about it. If
MySQL can be included as an Ubuntu package.....then why not Ingres ?


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toby
 
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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-15-2009 , 02:44 PM



On Jan 15, 1:57 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
<michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 15, 5:16 pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:



On Jan 15, 9:54 am, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"

michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:39 pm, Allan Biggs <Allan.Bi... (AT) GBR (DOT) dupont.com> wrote:

I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern context.

Anyone developing web based applications seems to have the choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of Ingres.

I am using PHP/Ingres at work - PHP is great - much faster to
develop/distribute with than OpenROAD for simple frames but .......

Ingres is losing / has lost in the web hosting market (with bundled
cpanel/phpmyadmin/perl/php/mysql) to my mind that is where all of the new
users are.

Be interesting to hear an Ingres view of this.

Allan
...
I agree.....as I pointed out in another post, Ingres is not included
with Ubuntu, wheres MySQL, PostgreSQL, and Firebird are..... I also
said this a couple of years back when using Suse......zzzzzzz

seems they are just happy with the status quo.....

You mean included in a package database? Anyone can make Ingres
packages if they want to.

Also anyone can use Ingres in their web stack if they have a good
reason to do so.

As a business, more evangelism might get them to a distant 5th(?)
place, but I'm not an MBA and have no idea what their strategy is.
They did lose a smart guy in ex-CTO Dave Dargo, who seemed to solidly
grasp the possibilities of open source.

exactly, if they don't push it then no-one will know about it. If
MySQL can be included as an Ubuntu package.....then why not Ingres ?
A user group/community that is enthusiastic about Ingres and Ubuntu
could pretty easily start promoting it - just put up a blog, and
generate some packages for submission to Ubuntu upstream. Good for
both platforms.


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michaelnewport@yahoo.com
 
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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-16-2009 , 02:38 AM



On Jan 15, 8:44*pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 15, 1:57 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"



michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 5:16 pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:

On Jan 15, 9:54 am, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"

michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:39 pm, Allan Biggs <Allan.Bi... (AT) GBR (DOT) dupont.com> wrote:

I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern context.

Anyone *developing web based applications seems to have *the choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of Ingres.

I am using PHP/Ingres at work - *PHP *is great - much faster to
develop/distribute *with than OpenROAD for simple frames but ........

Ingres is losing / has lost *in the web hosting market (with bundled
cpanel/phpmyadmin/perl/php/mysql) *to my mind that is where allof the new
users are.

Be interesting to hear an Ingres view of this.

Allan
...
I agree.....as I pointed out in another post, Ingres is not included
with Ubuntu, wheres MySQL, PostgreSQL, and Firebird are..... I also
said this a couple of years back when using Suse......zzzzzzz

seems they are just happy with the status quo.....

You mean included in a package database? Anyone can make Ingres
packages if they want to.

Also anyone can use Ingres in their *web stack if they have a good
reason to do so.

As a business, more evangelism might get them to a distant 5th(?)
place, but I'm not an MBA and have no idea what their strategy is.
They did lose a smart guy in ex-CTO Dave Dargo, who seemed to solidly
grasp the possibilities of open source.

exactly, if they don't push it then no-one will know about it. If
MySQL can be included as an Ubuntu package.....then why not Ingres ?

A user group/community that is enthusiastic about Ingres and Ubuntu
could pretty easily start promoting it - just put up a blog, and
generate some packages for submission to Ubuntu upstream. Good for
both platforms.
how about this bunch, they should be enthusiastic..........http://
www.ingres.com/


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ThanksButNo
 
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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-16-2009 , 03:21 AM



On Jan 15, 11:38 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
<michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 15, 8:44 pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:



On Jan 15, 1:57 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"

michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 5:16 pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:

On Jan 15, 9:54 am, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"

michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:39 pm, Allan Biggs <Allan.Bi... (AT) GBR (DOT) dupont.com> wrote:

I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern context.

Anyone developing web based applications seems to have the choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of Ingres.

I am using PHP/Ingres at work - PHP is great - much faster to
develop/distribute with than OpenROAD for simple frames but .......


how about this bunch, they should be enthusiastic..........http://www.ingres.com/
I thought Ingres had died peacefully in bed some years ago?

/:-/


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