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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-16-2009 , 04:16 AM







"ThanksButNo" <no.no.thanks (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
On Jan 15, 11:38 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 8:44 pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:



On Jan 15, 1:57 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"

michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 5:16 pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:

On Jan 15, 9:54 am, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"

michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:39 pm, Allan Biggs <Allan.Bi... (AT) GBR (DOT) dupont.com
wrote:

I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern
context.

Anyone developing web based applications seems to have the
choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of
Ingres.

I am using PHP/Ingres at work - PHP is great - much faster to
develop/distribute with than OpenROAD for simple frames but
.......


how about this bunch, they should be
enthusiastic..........http://www.ingres.com/

I thought Ingres had died peacefully in bed some years ago?
That's the perception that ingres corp has to change.




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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-16-2009 , 04:19 AM






ThanksButNo wrote:

Quote:
On Jan 15, 11:38 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
how about this bunch, they should be
enthusiastic..........http://www.ingres.com/
Quote:
I thought Ingres had died peacefully in bed some years ago?
Then you thought wrong didn't you? :-)

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Willem Bogaerts
 
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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-16-2009 , 06:51 AM



Quote:
how about this bunch, they should be enthusiastic......
Well, I actually took the effort and looked at the site, curious as to
what the differences are with other databases. Other than some hollow
market speak, I found exactly 1 thing: Kerberos authentication. Can't
say I ever needed it, but it could be useful. What's the big hype?

So my enthusiasm was gone pretty fast.

Best regards,
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Default Re: [Info-Ingres] Ingres v Mysql - 01-16-2009 , 07:38 AM





Here's my 2 cents worth. I lurk on this mailing list, but rarely pipe up,
mostly because my use of Ingres other than for my own 'enjoyment' is
minimal these days (work keeps me busy with an Iseries Db2 database.)

I DID use Ingres for about 10 years however: and I found it
absolutely trivial to set up and to maintain as a DBA.* It works out
of the box, does not need much tweaking, and simply just runs.

The old aphorism that with Ingres you need one DBA to maintain 20
databases, and with (Oracle/DB2 ...) you need 20 DBA's to maintain one
database, is not far off the mark, in my opinion.

And I've used
Oracle, and MySql (yes, it has its uses) and DB2 LUW and DB2 for Iseries,
and briefly Informix, and dabbled in Postgres.

And I still
prefer Ingres.

Ingres (and the others) are not databases: they
are database management systems, and managing databases with Ingres is a
piece of cake.


Regards
Roger


Quote:
how about this bunch, they should be enthusiastic......

Well, I actually took the effort and looked at the site,
curious as to
what the differences are with other databases.
Other than some hollow
market speak, I found exactly 1 thing:
Kerberos authentication. Can't
say I ever needed it, but it
could be useful. What's the big hype?

So my
enthusiasm was gone pretty fast.

Best regards,
--
Willem Bogaerts

Application
smith
Kratz B.V.
http://www.kratz.nl/

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Jerry Stuckle
 
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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-16-2009 , 08:09 AM



ThanksButNo wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 15, 11:38 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 8:44 pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:



On Jan 15, 1:57 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 5:16 pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:
On Jan 15, 9:54 am, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:39 pm, Allan Biggs <Allan.Bi... (AT) GBR (DOT) dupont.com> wrote:
I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern context.
Anyone developing web based applications seems to have the choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of Ingres.
I am using PHP/Ingres at work - PHP is great - much faster to
develop/distribute with than OpenROAD for simple frames but .......

how about this bunch, they should be enthusiastic..........http://www.ingres.com/

I thought Ingres had died peacefully in bed some years ago?

/:-/
Nope, still alive and kicking, although there doesn't look to be a Linux
version of 9.2 out yet.

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Jerry Stuckle
 
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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-16-2009 , 08:10 AM



Willem Bogaerts wrote:
Quote:
how about this bunch, they should be enthusiastic......

Well, I actually took the effort and looked at the site, curious as to
what the differences are with other databases. Other than some hollow
market speak, I found exactly 1 thing: Kerberos authentication. Can't
say I ever needed it, but it could be useful. What's the big hype?

So my enthusiasm was gone pretty fast.

Best regards,
I wouldn't say that, Willem. I used Ingres several years ago, and it's
a decent RDBMS. Like any other RDBMS, depending on what you're doing,
it may perform better or worse than others.

Now if they just implemented recursive SQL... but I don't see that in
the latest release (yet, anyway).

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Luuk
 
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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-16-2009 , 08:21 AM



Jerry Stuckle schreef:
Quote:
ThanksButNo wrote:
On Jan 15, 11:38 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 8:44 pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:



On Jan 15, 1:57 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 5:16 pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:
On Jan 15, 9:54 am, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:39 pm, Allan Biggs <Allan.Bi... (AT) GBR (DOT) dupont.com> wrote:
I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern
context.
Anyone developing web based applications seems to have the
choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of Ingres.
I am using PHP/Ingres at work - PHP is great - much faster to
develop/distribute with than OpenROAD for simple frames but
.......

how about this bunch, they should be
enthusiastic..........http://www.ingres.com/

I thought Ingres had died peacefully in bed some years ago?

/:-/

Nope, still alive and kicking, although there doesn't look to be a Linux
version of 9.2 out yet.

http://esd.ingres.com/product/Commun...ngres_Database

its there, eve a 9.3 version, you might have looked at the wrong page....

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Jerry Stuckle
 
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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-16-2009 , 08:39 AM



Luuk wrote:
Quote:
Jerry Stuckle schreef:
ThanksButNo wrote:
On Jan 15, 11:38 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 8:44 pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:



On Jan 15, 1:57 pm, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 5:16 pm, toby <t... (AT) telegraphics (DOT) com.au> wrote:
On Jan 15, 9:54 am, "michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com"
michaelnewp... (AT) yahoo (DOT) com> wrote:
On Jan 15, 2:39 pm, Allan Biggs <Allan.Bi... (AT) GBR (DOT) dupont.com> wrote:
I am a long time Ingres user - but put yourself in a modern
context.
Anyone developing web based applications seems to have the
choice of
Mysql with either Perl or PHP there is never an option of Ingres.
I am using PHP/Ingres at work - PHP is great - much faster to
develop/distribute with than OpenROAD for simple frames but
.......

how about this bunch, they should be
enthusiastic..........http://www.ingres.com/

I thought Ingres had died peacefully in bed some years ago?

/:-/

Nope, still alive and kicking, although there doesn't look to be a
Linux version of 9.2 out yet.


http://esd.ingres.com/product/Commun...ngres_Database

its there, eve a 9.3 version, you might have looked at the wrong page....

Ah, I was just looking at http://esd.ingres.com/ and clicking on "ingres
database" on the left - not "community projects".

You can tell it's been a while since I've visited their site :-). But I
think that's a bit confusing.

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toby
 
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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-16-2009 , 11:40 AM



On Jan 16, 8:10 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck... (AT) attglobal (DOT) net> wrote:
Quote:
Willem Bogaerts wrote:
how about this bunch, they should be enthusiastic......

Well, I actually took the effort and looked at the site, curious as to
what the differences are with other databases. Other than some hollow
market speak, I found exactly 1 thing: Kerberos authentication. Can't
say I ever needed it, but it could be useful. What's the big hype?

So my enthusiasm was gone pretty fast.

Best regards,

I wouldn't say that, Willem. I used Ingres several years ago, and it's
a decent RDBMS. Like any other RDBMS, depending on what you're doing,
it may perform better or worse than others.
It's a very nice system, full featured, and well documented. I threw
it on to my Gentoo system a couple of years ago. The installation was
not difficult, but MySQL is going to be a simpler option for
inexperienced users.

Quote:
Now if they just implemented recursive SQL... but I don't see that in
the latest release (yet, anyway).

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Jerry Stuckle
 
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Default Re: Ingres v Mysql - 01-16-2009 , 12:36 PM



toby wrote:
Quote:
On Jan 16, 8:10 am, Jerry Stuckle <jstuck... (AT) attglobal (DOT) net> wrote:
Willem Bogaerts wrote:
how about this bunch, they should be enthusiastic......
Well, I actually took the effort and looked at the site, curious as to
what the differences are with other databases. Other than some hollow
market speak, I found exactly 1 thing: Kerberos authentication. Can't
say I ever needed it, but it could be useful. What's the big hype?
So my enthusiasm was gone pretty fast.
Best regards,
I wouldn't say that, Willem. I used Ingres several years ago, and it's
a decent RDBMS. Like any other RDBMS, depending on what you're doing,
it may perform better or worse than others.

It's a very nice system, full featured, and well documented. I threw
it on to my Gentoo system a couple of years ago. The installation was
not difficult, but MySQL is going to be a simpler option for
inexperienced users.
True. I used Ingres for some non-web based apps; it worked nicely. But
when I needed a database for websites on shared hosts, most had MySQL,
so I went there. Now I'm using VPS's, but I load Debian on them which
requires MySQL. So I'm lazy and just use it instead of trying to keep
two RDBMS's updated.

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