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Default Workgroup Edition with HDR - 06-18-2007 , 01:26 PM






Does anybody have experience with v10 of Workgroup Edition? Now
that HDR is available as a Workgroup option, we are looking at
saving a LOT of money by migrating down from Enterprise.

Is it the same core engine? Will I have the same performance?
What besides ER (which we don't use) will I be giving up?

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Default Re: Workgroup Edition with HDR - 06-18-2007 , 10:59 PM






"Jeff" <nobody@localhost> wrote

Quote:
Does anybody have experience with v10 of Workgroup Edition? Now that HDR
is available as a Workgroup option, we are looking at saving a LOT of
money by migrating down from Enterprise.

Is it the same core engine? Will I have the same performance? What besides
ER (which we don't use) will I be giving up?
I started off answering this by saying confidentally that I think the code
streams are identical, and that you are left *not* to use the precluded
functionality on an honour basis. Certainly I just checked a PPA download
site for one of my customers who has both Enterprise and Workgroup and there
is not a separate download for the latter. But also I recall some while
back being unable to allocate more than 4 cpu vps with a Workgroup
download - perhaps it was the IIUG freebie. So now I'm not certain!

Anyway you shouldn't use IDS in contravention of its terms because IBM has a
zealous Compliance programme, as is its right.

To answer your question: I have lots of experience in multiple customer
sites, and it's fine so long as you can do without parallel backups and
parallel queries. Typically then this favours small-to-medium database
servers and OLTP applications.

It might also be thought that 4 processor cores and 8g memory - the IDS v10
Workgroup infrastructure limit - is getting a little restrictive the way
hardware is going.

I'm interested to know how you'll save money by "trading down". You can't
get a refund on the Enterprise licences you presumably already own.




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Default Re: Workgroup Edition with HDR - 06-19-2007 , 12:53 AM



On Jun 19, 5:59 am, "Neil Truby" <neil.tr... (AT) ardenta (DOT) com> wrote:
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"Jeff" <nobody@localhost> wrote in message

news:4676ce6b$1 (AT) news (DOT) mcleodusa.net...

Does anybody have experience with v10 of Workgroup Edition? Now that HDR
is available as a Workgroup option, we are looking at saving a LOT of
money by migrating down from Enterprise.

Is it the same core engine? Will I have the same performance? What besides
ER (which we don't use) will I be giving up?

I started off answering this by saying confidentally that I think the code
streams are identical, and that you are left *not* to use the precluded
functionality on an honour basis. Certainly I just checked a PPA download
site for one of my customers who has both Enterprise and Workgroup and there
is not a separate download for the latter. But also I recall some while
back being unable to allocate more than 4 cpu vps with a Workgroup
download - perhaps it was the IIUG freebie. So now I'm not certain!

Anyway you shouldn't use IDS in contravention of its terms because IBM has a
zealous Compliance programme, as is its right.

To answer your question: I have lots of experience in multiple customer
sites, and it's fine so long as you can do without parallel backups and
parallel queries. Typically then this favours small-to-medium database
servers and OLTP applications.

It might also be thought that 4 processor cores and 8g memory - the IDS v10
Workgroup infrastructure limit - is getting a little restrictive the way
hardware is going.

I'm interested to know how you'll save money by "trading down". You can't
get a refund on the Enterprise licences you presumably already own.

Niel,

I think that with IDS 10 Workgroup, you can use parallel backup/
restore and parallel queries, at least acording to some Redbook I've
read.

It would be bad if there was a limitation of 4 CPU VPs. For example,
with newer SPARCs, there is a need to allocate multiple CPU VPs per
physical CPU to use all the CPU power available.

Darko Krstic



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Fernando Nunes
 
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Default Re: Workgroup Edition with HDR - 06-19-2007 , 05:01 PM



Neil Truby wrote:

Quote:
I'm interested to know how you'll save money by "trading down". You can't
get a refund on the Enterprise licences you presumably already own.


The annual support will be cheaper. I don't really know if you can exchange
existing licenses...

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Default Re: Workgroup Edition with HDR - 06-22-2007 , 03:00 PM



Fernando Nunes wrote:
Quote:
Neil Truby wrote:

I'm interested to know how you'll save money by "trading down". You can't
get a refund on the Enterprise licences you presumably already own.



The annual support will be cheaper. I don't really know if you can exchange
existing licenses...

As it turned out, it will not save any money. Yes the support
would save us money, but it would take many years to make back
the expense of re-purchasing initial licenses. The hardware
limits of Workgroup would not have been a problem for us. We are
a smallish company with pretty basic OLTP needs.

I guess I'll just keep waiting for the day when I can feel
comfortable migrating to an open source database...




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Neil Truby
 
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Default Re: Workgroup Edition with HDR - 06-22-2007 , 06:23 PM



"Jeff" <nobody@localhost> wrote

Quote:
Fernando Nunes wrote:
Neil Truby wrote:

I'm interested to know how you'll save money by "trading down". You
can't get a refund on the Enterprise licences you presumably already
own.


The annual support will be cheaper. I don't really know if you can
exchange existing licenses...


As it turned out, it will not save any money. Yes the support would save
us money, but it would take many years to make back the expense of
re-purchasing initial licenses.
Usually the maintenance renewal cost of EE licence is the same as the cost
of buying a new WGE one, so it might be cost-neutral in year one at best,
but you should be quids in by year two.

Quote:
The hardware limits of Workgroup would not have been a problem for us. We
are a smallish company with pretty basic OLTP needs.
Does a smallish company with pretty basic OLTP needs really need a box with
more than 4 cores and 8g of memory?




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