Maybe I'm dense but I cannot figure out how to download the fucking informix developers edition v11. Where the fuck is
it? Is it so hard to just put a fucking link to get it?

I've already been to http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data...ids/developer/ and having tried every link on this
page it does not point to a download.

Anybody got a link that points to the download? There appears to be no direct way to get it, nothing but links that
point to other places and other products.

IBM man you are one fucked up company!

Cheers!

"InDeep" <indeep (AT) indeep (DOT) com> wrote

Down the left-hand side and near the top there is a set of links in various
shades of blue. Click on "Trials and Demos"; this takes you to a dedicated
downloads page. In the middle of 3 blocks of available downloads, fifth one
down, is the IDS Developers' Edition. This link takes you to a "Trial:
Informix Dynamic Server Enterprise and Developer Edition V11" page. There's
a "Try" tab on this page that takes you to the downloads.

One thing that may enrage you further though is that, despite the name
"Trial: Informix Dynamic Server Enterprise and Developer Edition V11" .....
all the available downloads seem to be for v10!!

"Neil Truby" <neil.truby (AT) ardenta (DOT) com> wrote

Actually, despite the fact that all the downloads listed are v10 it doesn't
matter which one you select, and once you've jumped through a load more
hoops (enter your IBM ID, answer some marketing questions), you are
presented with a list of v10 and v11 files for download.

Neil Truby wrote:
I'm not enraged, just baffled beyond belief that nobody else has even commented or
tried to get this fixed. Is Informix cursed or what. Didn't even see any news or
press releases either. What the fuck are the Informix marketing people doing inside
IBM? Can't even get some press, that's pretty lame, what a bunch of slackers. For
the money they get paid, I'd be really curious just what they actually do. IBM could
really save some money if they fired those folks, because the net result would be the
same!

You're confusing two issues.

I absolutely share your frustration that Informix is not more widely
publicised. And yes, the level of marketing activity has increased greatly
in the past two years, but in the scale of things it's still peanuts. (I
met quite a senior person from IBM UK, nothing to do with Informix or even
the brand it's in, but he knows we sell a lot of Informix, and he commented
how little Informix marketing you ever see. When I pointed out that
"Cheetah" has been publicised far more than any Informix version previously
under IBM he just laughed!)

So yes, IBM strategically cannot bring itself really to publicise Informix,
certainly not at the expense of DB2. You might think this is wrong; you may
wonder why IBM continues to put all its weight behind a product which, no
matter how much it may wish it wasn;t so, will forever be associated in the
public's mind as "Mainframe", and which has so little "traction" outside the
mainframe and AS/400 market. But as I learnt from my two-and-a-half-year
stint on the Board of Directors of the IIUG, you aren't going to change it.

I've met many of the advocates within IBM of Informix, including the
Marketing people, and I can tell you that you're doing these people a great
disservice. Some of the people who advocate Informix World Wide are as
bright as a button, and hugely committed to Informix. If they are not
generating the splash you wish, it's not because they are "slacking"
fuck-wits: it's because they're just doing the very best they can do given
the strategy set by people way, way, way above them.

InDeep wrote:

Not intending to be the gadfly but I think rather obviously because is
of so little interest no one really much cares.

Making something available only to the existing customer base
("enter your IBM ID") is not the way to expand marketshare.

This becomes even more poignant when one considers that the primary
competitor allows anyone to download theirs for free. No ID required,
no marketing questions, no hassles.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)

DA Morgan wrote:

Well maybe. But according to the license agreement for the down loaded
Oracle server, it can only be used to create an initial single prototype
of any application. It can not be used for any other purposes. That
includes learning about the product, teaching the product to anyone
else, patching any prototype, etc.

To quote the license agreement that Oracle uses for their download...

"LICENSE RIGHTS We grant you a nonexclusive, nontransferable limited
license to use the program only for the purpose of developing a single
prototype of your application, and not for any other purpose."

Looks like you can't even use the downloaded engine to learn about the
engine without breaking the license that was agreed to. Seems rather
restrictive to me.

Madison Pruet wrote:
XE is available for free and can be put to use commercially if one
wishes. And the prototype to which you refer is a user defined
prototype. You might choose, if you wish, to prototype eBay or
Amazon.com.

That is substantially different from limiting the download to only
your current customer base.
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)

DA Morgan wrote:
Well - not totally true. The OTN Developer License Terms for Oracle
Database Express Edition states.. "Note: You are bound by the Oracle
Technology Network ("OTN") License Agreement terms." and the above
quote is from that document. So the way the license is worded, the XE
License is more restrictive than the enterprise license because it
states that all of the restrictions of the enterprise down load apply to
the XE as well.

Also not true about the prototype. By wording it to state "single
prototype of an application" that means that it does not apply to a
system, only to an application. Also, it is only allowable to be used
by a single prototype, which legally means that no refinements of the
prototype is allowed.

Again not true. You do not have to be a customer to download. You do
have to register, but you do not have to be a customer.

Madison Pruet wrote:
It is curious that Informix can be thought of as a peer with Oracle
yet, I see no market buzz in the Linux world for Informix like you do
for Oracle. In fact, Oracle basically took the Linux market away from
anything IBM, and has even tried to say that they were first on Linux,
which they clearly were not. What _is_ possible from a marketing
perspective for Informix is a huge opportunity that has basically gone
wasted. It's almost criminally negligent, but forgivable knowing the
retards running the Marketing Dept for Informix. Kind of easy to look
the other way when you understand that the product suffers from its
own family more than the neighbors. There is a big opportunity right
now to make Informix more well known, and the most amazing part of it
is that it costs IBM little if anything to make right. Get the developer
program going--really going--and make the enterprise version available
to developers either for free, or at reduced cost, to allow them to
develop with the entire product, not something pared down to appease
critics. You will get a bigger harvest, and some market momentum. Get
some books out there to help people understand the product, and for crying
out loud, pass out some marketing freebies to reward people. A little
can go a long way.