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Where The Fuck is the Informix Developer Edition V11 Download?
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Re: Where The Fuck is the Informix Developer Edition V11 Download? -
12-11-2007
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Neil Truby wrote: "InDeep" <ind... (AT) indeep (DOT) com> wrote in message news:Ck57j.4925$iD5.3228 (AT) fe77 (DOT) usenetserver.com... It is curious that Informix can be thought of as a peer with Oracle yet, I see no market buzz in the Linux world for Informix like you do for Oracle. In fact, Oracle basically took the Linux market away from anything IBM, and has even tried to say that they were first on Linux, which they clearly were not. What _is_ possible from a marketing perspective for Informix is a huge opportunity that has basically gone wasted. It's almost criminally negligent, but forgivable knowing the retards running the Marketing Dept for Informix. Kind of easy to look the other way when you understand that the product suffers from its own family more than the neighbors. As per my previous post, your criticism is misplaced. The people who run Marketing for Informix are *not* retards. They are constrained in what they can do by an over-riding strategy within IBM about the extent to which they can promote Informix. You seem to be suggesting that they should ignore this. But, how many of us are sufficiently profesionally and financially independent that we can just ignore the instructions of our bosses? As per my previous posts, if it walks and talks like a duck, then it must be a duck. In the case of Informix, it's not walking or talking, or if at all, to no appreciable degree. This is a direct result of the action or inaction of the Marketing Department. The technical side of the house has delivered a product, only to be left wanting promotion and a reasonable attempt to build some market share. I certainly appreciate you wanting to defend Informix, but let's separate the product from the message. The product needs a message, not some luke warm fluff you have to dig for. A real marketing campaign has a message that is put in the market to elicit sales. Until that bare minimum has been done, you don't have a marketing campaign. To call the present effort anything approximating a marketing campaign is complete and utter fantasy. In the recent past, it has been a controlled release targeted at a few shops, and to hell with the rest. Certainly within the rights of IBM to do it this way, but it's not really marketing anything other than a slight push to the willing. To answer your question, I completely understand your pain, and your needing to sacrifice your values to protect yourself. What really needs to happen is for enough people to push the message to IBM to get a real Marketing program going for Informix, not this bland watered down nothing. There should be a real message that transcends the database market, and that can be done with a solid, REAL Developer Program. Applications drive database sales, ask Oracle or Microsoft... -ID-- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
if you send me an email with your details I will organise a call for
you with the marketing people responsible in order that you can share
your views directly
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Madison Pruet wrote: DA Morgan wrote: Madison Pruet wrote: Yes - this is the "OTN License Agreement for Oracle Database Express Edition", and what you are saying would be true if the license was totally self contained. It is not. If you read the entire license and not just a few lines, then you would see... Note: You are bound by the Oracle Technology Network ("OTN") License Agreement terms. The OTN License Agreement terms also apply to all updates you receive under your Technology Track subscription. And Oracle Technology Network License Agreement is Madison - your are reading this wrong. I wrote the license for XE and it does not 'inherit' restrictions from any other license. You can use XE freely for whatever you want, as long as you stay within the limits of the product - 4 GB of data etc. You can definitely deploy XE in production without charge. You can also distribute it, and teach with it, etc etc. |
However, the license agreement which is displayed on the download page
for the express edition clearly states otherwise.
"Note: You are bound by the Oracle Technology Network ("OTN") License
Agreement terms."
It does not state "Note: You are bound by the Oracle Technology Network
("OTN") Developer License Terms for Oracle Database Express Edition."
Also it does not link to where the Oracle Technology Network License
Agreement is located.
The only place where the title of "Oracle Technology Network License" is
mentioned is not on the download page for the express edition of
"http://www.oracle.com/technology/software/products/database/xe/htdocs/102xelinsoft.html",
but on the popup license found on the enterprise download page of
http://www.oracle.com/technology/sof...ase/index.html.
Perhaps that is what you meant, but that is not what the license
agreement for the Express Edition states.
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As I said, if you send me an email with your details I will organise a call for you with the marketing people responsible in order that you can share your views directly |
some _positive_ ideas that most likely will not get considered till after
the start of the new year.
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scottishpoet wrote: As I said, if you send me an email with your details I will organise a call for you with the marketing people responsible in order that you can share your views directly Thanks, I'll be in touch after the first of next year. I'm thinking of some _positive_ ideas that most likely will not get considered till after the start of the new year. |
In the meantime IBM marketing in the UK is working with business
partners to produce some marketing collatoral
ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/common/ss...C14003GBEN.PDF
as well as
http://www.informixcity.com/download...se%20Study.pdf
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DA Morgan wrote: Mark Townsend wrote: Madison - your are reading this wrong. I wrote the license for XE and it does not 'inherit' restrictions from any other license. You can use XE freely for whatever you want, as long as you stay within the limits of the product - 4 GB of data etc. You can definitely deploy XE in production without charge. You can also distribute it, and teach with it, etc etc. Thank you, Mark, for clearing up the apparent misunderstanding. Mark, are you speaking as an Oracle spokesperson here? Just curious. Cheers Serge |
If you want to quote me somewhere, or have an official verification,
then feel free to email me at my daytime persona and I will confirm what
I have said above "officially". Or alternatively, post the question to
the XE forum on OTN and I will respond in kind there as well.
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Serge Rielau wrote: DA Morgan wrote: Mark Townsend wrote: Madison - your are reading this wrong. I wrote the license for XE and it does not 'inherit' restrictions from any other license. You can use XE freely for whatever you want, as long as you stay within the limits of the product - 4 GB of data etc. You can definitely deploy XE in production without charge. You can also distribute it, and teach with it, etc etc. Thank you, Mark, for clearing up the apparent misunderstanding. Mark, are you speaking as an Oracle spokesperson here? Just curious. Hmm - not sure where this one is going. Legal guard goes up. :-) I expected no different - and I don't blame you |
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If you want to quote me somewhere, or have an official verification, then feel free to email me at my daytime persona Sensible. |
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and I will confirm what I have said above "officially". Or alternatively, post the question to the XE forum on OTN and I will respond in kind there as well. That would require accepting the OTN licence. No can do. |
Cheers
Serge
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Serge Rielau
DB2 Solutions Development
IBM Toronto Lab
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and I will confirm what I have said above "officially". Or alternatively, post the question to the XE forum on OTN and I will respond in kind there as well. That would require accepting the OTN licence. No can do. Cheers Serge |
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Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
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In article <475F87A0.6060405 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>, Mark Townsend says... Madison - your are reading this wrong. I wrote the license for XE and it does not 'inherit' restrictions from any other license. You can use XE freely for whatever you want, as long as you stay within the limits of the product - 4 GB of data etc. You can definitely deploy XE in production without charge. You can also distribute it, and teach with it, etc etc. Thank you, Mark, for clearing up the apparent misunderstanding. Mark, are you speaking as an Oracle spokesperson here? Just curious. Cheers Serge Hmm - not sure where this one is going. Legal guard goes up. If you want to quote me somewhere, or have an official verification, then feel free to email me at my daytime persona and I will confirm what I have said above "officially". Or alternatively, post the question to the XE forum on OTN and I will respond in kind there as well. In other words what you wrote above about the licensing restriction of XE is not official. So Oracle can disagree with whatever you wrote above and can always point out to OTN for the exact words and its interpretation. |
(http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pres...townsend.html).
I don't read newsgroups from within Oracle because reading newsgroups at
Oracle is not a good use of my time. Besides, I haven't been back at the
office since this started (busy, busy, busy...)
I don't send email from my home machine using my Oracle account (well, I
do, but via a webclient VPNed back into the Oracle network). Our
corporate security and governance guys really like this.
So if you need an official clarification, that Oracle will stand behind,
then email me at Oracle, and I will provide one. From the email server
at Oracle so it's all clear and professional and legally supportable etc.
Pretty simple really. No conspiracy. Seems the collective c.d.i.
newsgroup brain is checked out on this one. I mean, we have had millions
of downloads of XE, and hundreds of thousands of forum posts, and so far
only one guy from Informix has found a problem with the wording on the
license. Go figure.
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dcruncher4 (AT) aim (DOT) com wrote: In article <475F87A0.6060405 (AT) sbcglobal (DOT) net>, Mark Townsend says... Madison - your are reading this wrong. I wrote the license for XE and it does not 'inherit' restrictions from any other license. You can use XE freely for whatever you want, as long as you stay within the limits of the product - 4 GB of data etc. You can definitely deploy XE in production without charge. You can also distribute it, and teach with it, etc etc. Thank you, Mark, for clearing up the apparent misunderstanding. Mark, are you speaking as an Oracle spokesperson here? Just curious. Cheers Serge Hmm - not sure where this one is going. Legal guard goes up. If you want to quote me somewhere, or have an official verification, then feel free to email me at my daytime persona and I will confirm what I have said above "officially". Or alternatively, post the question to the XE forum on OTN and I will respond in kind there as well. In other words what you wrote above about the licensing restriction of XE is not official. So Oracle can disagree with whatever you wrote above and can always point out to OTN for the exact words and its interpretation. I do work for Oracle, I am an official spokesperson for Oracle (http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pres...townsend.html). I don't read newsgroups from within Oracle because reading newsgroups at Oracle is not a good use of my time. Besides, I haven't been back at the office since this started (busy, busy, busy...) I don't send email from my home machine using my Oracle account (well, I do, but via a webclient VPNed back into the Oracle network). Our corporate security and governance guys really like this. So if you need an official clarification, that Oracle will stand behind, then email me at Oracle, and I will provide one. From the email server at Oracle so it's all clear and professional and legally supportable etc. Pretty simple really. No conspiracy. Seems the collective c.d.i. newsgroup brain is checked out on this one. I mean, we have had millions of downloads of XE, and hundreds of thousands of forum posts, and so far only one guy from Informix has found a problem with the wording on the license. Go figure. |
clicks to download Oracle software. Even less if you're already registered.
I did not see the words Trial or Time-limited on anything like that so far.
Oracles' web site has certainly evolved over the years, but I never got the
feeling of being lost on oracle.com like I do when I go to IBMs' website.
Not that I'll ever get excited about Oracle, but the billable these days is
obscene enough to be compelling--even though the product is complete shyte.
If there is anyone out there that can find somebody to buy Informix away from
IBM it would be the same feeling I'm almost sure like winning the lottery,
although that too has eluded me.
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In article <6528j.24116$4V6.7387 (AT) newssvr14 (DOT) news.prodigy.net>, Mark Townsend says... I do work for Oracle, I am an official spokesperson for Oracle (http://www.oracle.com/corporate/pres...townsend.html). I don't read newsgroups from within Oracle because reading newsgroups at Oracle is not a good use of my time. Besides, I haven't been back at the office since this started (busy, busy, busy...) I don't send email from my home machine using my Oracle account (well, I do, but via a webclient VPNed back into the Oracle network). Our corporate security and governance guys really like this. So if you need an official clarification, that Oracle will stand behind, then email me at Oracle, and I will provide one. From the email server at Oracle so it's all clear and professional and legally supportable etc. Pretty simple really. No conspiracy. Seems the collective c.d.i. newsgroup brain is checked out on this one. I mean, we have had millions of downloads of XE, and hundreds of thousands of forum posts, and so far only one guy from Informix has found a problem with the wording on the license. Go figure. mind commenting on this. http://groups.google.com/group/comp....0bcd95367daba4 |
With respect to the posting it is important to remember we are
seeing only one side of the issue, that of the person that posted
it, and it may well be that he has misinterpreted what he was told
or that there is more to the story.
It, though, it turns out to the what happened I personally I hope
Oracle University Turkey gets its hands slapped because they would be,
in my opinion, totally out of line.
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Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)
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