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I don't know what you're reading but here's the reality and the link:
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"InDeep" <indeep (AT) indeep (DOT) com> wrote


As per my previous post, your criticism is misplaced. The people who run
Marketing for Informix are *not* retards. They are constrained in what they
can do by an over-riding strategy within IBM about the extent to which they
can promote Informix.

You seem to be suggesting that they should ignore this. But, how many of us
are sufficiently profesionally and financially independent that we can just
ignore the instructions of our bosses?

On Dec 10, 6:50 am, InDeep <ind... (AT) indeep (DOT) com> wrote:
If you send me a email with your contact details and information
pertaining to your companies background I will see to it that the
people in IBM responsible for regeneration of Informix in the partner
community will contact you to discuss with you steps that IBM is
taking to address this.

I will also ensure that this is an opportunity for you to share your
thoughts with them on steps that IBM can take to further make this
venture successful.

Did you attend IOD and heard first hand from some of the new business
partners IBM is attracting from Oracle to IDS?

Neil Truby wrote:
Lots of Cheetah T-Shirts. No Viper 2 T-Shirts...
IDS Marketing is doing a lot of things that, by common IBM wisdom, are
next to impossible.
It's pretty tough to build grassroots marketing campaign if the global
direction is: "What makes you special?"

Cheers
Serge
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DB2 Solutions Development
IBM Toronto Lab

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Madison Pruet wrote:
Madison - your are reading this wrong. I wrote the license for XE and it
does not 'inherit' restrictions from any other license. You can use XE
freely for whatever you want, as long as you stay within the limits of
the product - 4 GB of data etc. You can definitely deploy XE in
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Mark Townsend wrote:
Thank you, Mark, for clearing up the apparent misunderstanding.
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Neil Truby wrote:
As per my previous posts, if it walks and talks like a duck, then it must be
a duck. In the case of Informix, it's not walking or talking, or if at all,
to no appreciable degree. This is a direct result of the action or inaction
of the Marketing Department. The technical side of the house has delivered
a product, only to be left wanting promotion and a reasonable attempt to build
some market share. I certainly appreciate you wanting to defend Informix, but
let's separate the product from the message. The product needs a message, not
some luke warm fluff you have to dig for. A real marketing campaign has a
message that is put in the market to elicit sales. Until that bare minimum
has been done, you don't have a marketing campaign. To call the present effort
anything approximating a marketing campaign is complete and utter fantasy. In
the recent past, it has been a controlled release targeted at a few shops, and
to hell with the rest. Certainly within the rights of IBM to do it this way,
but it's not really marketing anything other than a slight push to the willing.

To answer your question, I completely understand your pain, and your needing
to sacrifice your values to protect yourself. What really needs to happen is
for enough people to push the message to IBM to get a real Marketing program
going for Informix, not this bland watered down nothing. There should be a real
message that transcends the database market, and that can be done with a solid,
REAL Developer Program. Applications drive database sales, ask Oracle or
Microsoft...

-ID-

a. I don't work for IBM, let alone IBM marketing
b. (For the third and last time) Your point is right, Informix is not
advertised and promoted to any significant degree. But you are wrong to
blame Informix Marketing. The fault lies in IBM's corporate strategy
towards databases, not with the individuals charged with providing what
little marketing *is* permitted.

DA Morgan wrote:

Cheers
Serge
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DB2 Solutions Development
IBM Toronto Lab