Today there have been several new press releases about IDS 11.1
(Cheetah) published.
For those interested, here is a compilation of the press releases that
I've discovered:

http://www.informix-zone.com/cheetah-press

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Eric

< eric (AT) herber-consulting (DOT) de> wrote

Thanks. The computerworld.com article is the most interesting.

Agreed. Notice that Oracle 11g comes out right after Informix, once
again, right in step with taking what little sunshine Informix will get,
almost deja vu all over again.

Classic, truly classic.

Interesting to see that IDS was discounted at the end:

"Will IDS ever outshine DB2? Not bloody likely. Will it ever regain its ranking as one of the three major databases in
the world? That would be a certain 'no,'" wrote Kernochan. "But can it still offer performance for certain transaction
patterns, and thereby make the database a little less of a boat anchor? Yes, indeed."

Great article, looks like IDS is expected to compete against Oracle, and be a buddy with DB2, but discounted upfront as
not in the same league, even with the new features.

Neil Truby wrote:

Tool wrote:
If I'm allowed a few comments...:
- What did IDS get it's name, customer loyalty etc...? Not the press releases I
think...
- We've been enjoying an opportunity we never had: to test a next release
- Cheetah is loaded with features that really make a difference...
- There are plans in place for more
- Support is really working to improve customer experience. I never saw nothing
like what's going on in the intranet. Just today I was sending a colleague some
links (most of them external) with lot's of information... He just kept saying
"wow... where did you get all this?". The answer is: These guys are producing
info like never before

So... my point: who really cares about press-releases? I have a very limited
and very local visibility over customers, but I'd bet most of them wouldn't
read this even if I sent it to them. On the other hand when I send them the
papers about MACH 11, LBAC, RTO etc. they tell me: Great! That's what I was
looking for!

Regards.

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Fernando Nunes
Portugal

http://informix-technology.blogspot.com
My email works... but I don't check it frequently...

I guarantee this, please save this message for next month.

Here's what's going to happen.

IBM will announce the release of Cheetah at the beginning of the month,
followed by absolutely nothing after that. NOTHING!

Next, Oracle will be announcing with great fanfare their next release,
within a few days of Informix's release. They will offer a no-timebomb
trial, or whatever, without restrictions, and lots of marketing to go
with it. Lots of promotion, fanfare, marketing buzz, and totally overshadow
anything IDS had.

I guarantee that IBM won't be doing shit about Informix once they release
it next month. GUARANTEED. No developer programs or marketing, no excitement,
no buzz, no marketing, A BIG NOTHING. I GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE IT.

Press releases are important, but they offer nothing but opinions about the
product, and as you've already seen the press has already yawned over IDS.

It's OVER before it ever got started.

I GUARANTEE IT. A BIG NOTHING FOR IDS. NOTHING!

Where's Sam Kineson when you need him? Oh! Oh!

-t-

Fernando Nunes wrote:

Just out of curiosity, but what exactly are you going to do if you are wrong?
I mean since you guarantee it?


----- Original Message ----
From: Tool <tool (AT) thetool (DOT) com>
To: informix-list (AT) iiug (DOT) org
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:34:37 PM
Subject: Re: IDS 11 - Press Releases

I guarantee this, please save this message for next month.

Here's what's going to happen.

IBM will announce the release of Cheetah at the beginning of the month,
followed by absolutely nothing after that. NOTHING!

Next, Oracle will be announcing with great fanfare their next release,
within a few days of Informix's release. They will offer a no-timebomb
trial, or whatever, without restrictions, and lots of marketing to go
with it. Lots of promotion, fanfare, marketing buzz, and totally overshadow
anything IDS had.

I guarantee that IBM won't be doing shit about Informix once they release
it next month. GUARANTEED. No developer programs or marketing, no excitement,
no buzz, no marketing, A BIG NOTHING. I GUARAN-FUCKING-TEE IT.

Press releases are important, but they offer nothing but opinions about the
product, and as you've already seen the press has already yawned over IDS.

It's OVER before it ever got started.

I GUARANTEE IT. A BIG NOTHING FOR IDS. NOTHING!

Where's Sam Kineson when you need him? Oh! Oh!

-t-

Fernando Nunes wrote:
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:-)

Good question!

I don't know!!

-t-

Mark Jamison wrote:

Timmy,

You've been asking for a free version of IDS to play with.
Take the IDS 11.10 beta. That should have all of the components.

You can now play with it.

If you want support cough up the $800 USD.
And thats for all the internal use stuff from IBM's SWG.

With your bet, I wouldn't make such a bet. After the initial PR (today)
there will probably be a bit of a lull between now and the GA release. Lets
face it, some of these guys have been on the road for several weeks
straight. Also its the end of the qtr. So people will go back to focusing on
how to help the sales team and BPs close deals.

But then there's July. I'll wager after the 5th, things will pick up.

As to Oracle? Their FY ends this month. Lots of hooplah there. And then
there will be a lull.

Of course with Oracle, its all smoke and mirrors.

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Thanks Gumpy.

By the way, it's a matter of principle at this point. I pay for a lot of
software that I use to develop applications with. But on this one I feel
that if I can get Oracle without a timebomb, and SQL-Server, and Sybase,
and MySQL, then by golly, I should be able to get the same for Informix.
I shouldn't have to pay doodly squat for the software that I'm ultimately
going to promote --FOR FREE-- for IBM. It's a win-win for IBM.

The stakes are high for IBM, but they apparently want to work from the top
down, instead of the ground up, in how they approach the database market.
What they are missing is the biggest market, and the biggest market driver,
the smaller shops and smaller developer operations that actually bubble up
into the larger organizations and larger sales. One developer who can shout
about the product is worth more than any sales rep coming in and trying to
blow smoke with a powerpoint slide.

So, I thought a lot about this one. I am really certain that IBM will
bungle the next month, not only misunderstanding what Oracle is doing, but
the other players out there as well, simply because they will be going after
a few big fish, placate the status quo and forget the SMB market, even though
Sam P. sez this is where he wants to go. Nobody is going after that market
at IBM in reality, because of how the management structure works. Nobody is
allowed to innovate on their own, that is tantamount to career suicide at IBM.

The idea that they would have people instead of sychophants and robots in the
game working with real developers is so contrary to how IBM works that IDS
really doesn't stand a chance. Sorry to remain locked in a pessimistic
mode, but statistics and probability are on my side. It's not eve a stretch
at this point to predict what won't happen next.

-t-

Ian Michael Gumby wrote:

Timmy,

You lost me here.
Principal? What Principal?

Other companies have "free" versions of their software that they seed the
development community with. Sans support of course. And that is their
choice. If you don't want to cough up the dough ($800) for IBM's deal,
don't.

But IBM does have a developers program that is implemented SWG (SOFTWARE
GROUP) wide.
$800 is not a lot of money for *free* software and tech support.

I've been involved in other developer programs and they were a lot more
money. Remember that there is a cost associated with running a developers
program.

mysql isn't free. Maybe to play with, but if you deploy a production version
of your app, you need to pay them. Don't believe that they won't come
looking for you when it comes compliance time.

So really, give the "free" thing a rest. You can always wait and use the
IIUG version which will have most of the functionality you're looking for.


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