There are plenty of born-in-the-US Americans, ( American Natives )
that should not be around technology or business. But they are
amongst us. Putting out arguments about racist views is only a
distraction, the company would love for you to think along those
lines, when the reality is, the company is the one you should
point your anger at. Who cares about whether it's Indians,
Chinese, Vietnamese, Brazilians, Americans, etc etc etc., this is just
superficial nonsense that clouds the real issue, corporate
greed.

Outsourcing at its roots is the displacement of work from one
location to another. To argue in its favor is to miss the
point, corporate greed. Small mom-and-pop businesses don't
use outsourcing, only big companies who can afford to. There
is a lot of cost of making it work, leveraged on huge amounts
of money, and the exploitation of people who are willing to
work for less than the workers they are replacing. Our country
has a rich history of corporate greed, and labor exploitation.
So I think we see things a little differently than perhaps
somebody in a "developing" nation that has nowhere to go but up.
IBM reported a very nice Q4 in 2006, but did that stop them from
wanting to layoff thousands of workers? No! Corporate greed
and placating the shareholders was the driving force.

Don't let superficial bullshit about national differences and
quality of workers cloud your thinking, these are all small
fry issues. Think about the root cause, follow the money. The
fact or non-fact that a lot of projects fail in the US is just
a red herring, the real problem is the greed factor, that fuels
managers into making bad decisions. If the project failed,
blame the managers. IBM classes its people into managers and
performers. It's corporate policy to blame the performers and
focus on things that have nothing to do with reality. Only
managers can make decisions, and if they make bad ones, then
projects fail, whether they are in the US or India. Don't
blame the workers, they are hired by managers. If the manager
didn't hire the right people, how can you blame the worker?

-t-

Data Cruncher wrote:

Data Cruncher wrote:
Read the news reports on BBC and CNN websites?
--
Daniel A. Morgan
University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)

On Jun 19, 11:15 am, DA Morgan <damor... (AT) psoug (DOT) org> wrote:
Which news report? The one which says that salaries
in India for IT folks is raising obscenely, there is
a tremendous shortage of skilled folks, there is high
turnover of skilled folks.

Hmm, that does not seem to be somerelated to angst in B'lore.

You are not the first person to start this "outsourcing-to-india-is-
dying"
propaganda and neither will you be the last. All self serving
propaganda
and wishful thinking.

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