You are showing your age.

I preferred Pine and later in life Qmail instead of sendmail.

I do wish IBM would push IDS in education.
Heck, I'd go to local schools and help them set it up.
Immunizing the youth against the crappy RDBMSes with a healthy dose of
IDS would do wonders.

My RDBMS classes were taught on Access >>gag<< I refused to do lab
exercises....even offered to do them on Oracle or Sybase (if you know me
you understand the sacrifice there).


Thanks,
Sam
(x11988)

If you can make sense out of IBM's matrix management chaos, more power to
you. Its amazing how they can get anything done. Way too much management
waste and BS.

But to your point, I don't friggin know.
I was trying to find out who handles the relationship at a specific
University, yet none of my contacts could tell me. They aren't in the loop
with the regional sales folks. Nor in the brand.

Please understand too that the Informix developer/dba tends to be a more
educated mouse.

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Well don't tell anyone. They may shut it off on the next release ;-)


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MS ISV program is about $400 and they SHIP all their sw, w/ updates to you.
For less than a Vista license, you get 5 Vistas licenses, 5 Office 2007,
tools, db, servers...

But this excludes people like u and Neil, it's for the serious guys, ISVs,
not the service-blood-suckers ;-)

Oh mon ami, etes tu? :-P
Wow. All of their products w 5 user licenses.

And my point is that if you look at the tools and software that you get with
the IBM deal, its a better value.

But I'm not drinking the cool aid here. IBM give you real tools. Microsoft?
Yes you need those weekly patches... :-0

GO IDS!

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On Jun 13, 1:35 pm, "Ian Michael Gumby" <im_gu... (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:
Interesting discussion!
First off, IBM is pouring money into IDS development... not a dribble,
not a trickle... pouring. Take that statement with a grain of salt
given its IBM and one person's downpour is another's shower.
I totally agree that IBM does not have a clue on how to approach
developers. As people are clamoring for a 'free' version if IDS, one
forgets that IDS simply runs too good on small configurations to just
give it away. That would undercut IDS business. What people should be
asking for is a developer's version with developer's tools that can't
be distributed. I'm not licensing guru so I don't know if its
possible. Ask Gary Proctor. He's focusing on this issue. There's got
to be an answer!

Spoken like an Informix shill. ;-P

Ok, point well taken.
The "developers version" has to be a full functioning version.
There has to be a developers program. So you need to vette the members to
see if they are really developers or not. It already exists with IBM's
current program.

$800.00 is nothing. Its the cost of doing business as well as allow the
developer access to tech support.

Want to go beyond that, then you'd create a paperwork nightmare of NDAs, and
company information, etc ...

$800 doesn't even buy you a last minute plane ticket to Cleveland.

It doesn't even cover room 1801's bar tab. (Those who attended IDUG should
know what I'm talking about.)

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It's very arrogant of you to assume that $800 is acceptable as a price to
pay for access to the software. Just because it's acceptable to YOU
doesn't mean it's acceptable to others, or affordable. There are plenty
of people out there that simply cannot afford that price, and they're
not even in a business, they're people wanting to learn to use the product,
and better their skills. So, what works for you is not necessarily what
works for other people. Besides it's a steep price for something that
literally is starting from scratch in the broader market, having lost
what little momentum it had before IBM consumed it. Now that it's back
out as a new release, it needs to seed its market all over again. Not
just for big corporations, but for the real market that can give it a
headstart, the developer community and small businesses. If people want
support, then yes, pay for it, but don't beat up people for access to it,
or the market will never take off. It'll be a dud, as usual. Mark my words,
a month from now it'll be a yawn, and nobody will care.

-t-

Ian Michael Gumby wrote:

Ian Michael Gumby wrote:

Agreed.

Why? Others don't have one so why is this required?

Again ... why? If 100,000 people download and try working with the
product is that a bad thing? How?

Perhaps you are wealthy enough to endow a scholarship for my students
interested in Informix. If so I am sure the university would gratefully
accept your donation. Shall I have them contact you?
--
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University of Washington
damorgan@x.washington.edu (replace x with u to respond)

On Fri, 2007-06-15 at 13:58 -0700, DA Morgan wrote:
Where were you when we discussed the user-limited IIUG version and the
time-limited IBM trial version that are both available for free? I would
think that one or the other is probably sufficient for students.

--
Carsten Haese
http://informixdb.sourceforge.net