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Default What happens when RAID 1 fails under Mac OS X? - 08-06-2003 , 01:16 PM






I'm considering the use of the built-in RAID 1 feature (mirroring) for
data reliabilty under Mac OS X for a FileMaker database.

Does anyone know exactly what happens when one of the drives fails? I
assume that, since it's RAID, the system should keep running
transparently.

So, how do we know the drive has failed? Does the RAID software give a
notification (email, applescript, etc.) that will be noticed if one is
not physically at the computer?

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Default Re: What happens when RAID 1 fails under Mac OS X? - 08-06-2003 , 11:40 PM






In article <1fz9ogj.1gpy6h7avkuvN%md03NOSPAM (AT) xochiNOSPAM (DOT) com.invalid>,
md03NOSPAM (AT) xochiNOSPAM (DOT) com.invalid (Mike D) wrote:

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I'm considering the use of the built-in RAID 1 feature (mirroring) for
data reliabilty under Mac OS X for a FileMaker database.

Does anyone know exactly what happens when one of the drives fails? I
assume that, since it's RAID, the system should keep running
transparently.

So, how do we know the drive has failed? Does the RAID software give a
notification (email, applescript, etc.) that will be noticed if one is
not physically at the computer?
I have limited experience with this, so take it as a data point and nothing
more.

we're running the built-in Raid feature (mirroring) on an XServe. Those of
you familiar with the hard drive bays on the XServe know that they just
need a little push and they pop out. Someone bumped a chair into one of the
hard drives and pushed it out. The server continued to run fine on one
drive from that point on (although in a "degraded" state) and it was some
time before we noticed. When we pushed the hard drive back in, we had to go
back to Disk Utility to resync the two drives to re-establish the RAID. If
we had configured Server Monitor to notify us, it could have sent us email
or paged us alerting us to the degraded array (we subsequently set it up to
do that). However, Server Monitor is a OS X Server utility; not sure if
something like it exists for plain ol' OS X. I only noticed when I happened
to see that both little drive access lights weren't blinking in unison like
they usually did.


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Default Re: What happens when RAID 1 fails under Mac OS X? - 08-07-2003 , 01:27 PM



sam grey <sgrey (AT) invalid (DOT) com> wrote:

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In article <1fz9ogj.1gpy6h7avkuvN%md03NOSPAM (AT) xochiNOSPAM (DOT) com.invalid>,
md03NOSPAM (AT) xochiNOSPAM (DOT) com.invalid (Mike D) wrote:

I'm considering the use of the built-in RAID 1 feature (mirroring) for
data reliabilty under Mac OS X for a FileMaker database.

Does anyone know exactly what happens when one of the drives fails? I
assume that, since it's RAID, the system should keep running
transparently.

So, how do we know the drive has failed? Does the RAID software give a
notification (email, applescript, etc.) that will be noticed if one is
not physically at the computer?

I have limited experience with this, so take it as a data point and nothing
more.

we're running the built-in Raid feature (mirroring) on an XServe. Those of
you familiar with the hard drive bays on the XServe know that they just
need a little push and they pop out. Someone bumped a chair into one of the
hard drives and pushed it out. The server continued to run fine on one
drive from that point on (although in a "degraded" state) and it was some
time before we noticed. When we pushed the hard drive back in, we had to go
back to Disk Utility to resync the two drives to re-establish the RAID. If
we had configured Server Monitor to notify us, it could have sent us email
or paged us alerting us to the degraded array (we subsequently set it up to
do that). However, Server Monitor is a OS X Server utility; not sure if
something like it exists for plain ol' OS X. I only noticed when I happened
to see that both little drive access lights weren't blinking in unison like
they usually did.
Thank you!

It sounds like my concern is valid: that unless running OSX Server with
Server Monitor, one could lose one drive an never know it untill the 2nd
drive failed as well...

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Default Re: What happens when RAID 1 fails under Mac OS X? - 08-07-2003 , 04:03 PM



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<md03NOSPAM (AT) xochiNOSPAM (DOT) com.invalid> wrote:

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It sounds like my concern is valid: that unless running OSX Server with
Server Monitor, one could lose one drive an never know it untill the 2nd
drive failed as well...
Depending on the failure mode, something like DiskWarrior's SMART
monitor might tell you.

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Default Re: What happens when RAID 1 fails under Mac OS X? - 08-08-2003 , 10:24 AM



In article <1fzd4sm.8kei8511voq6nN%md03NOSPAM (AT) xochiNOSPAM (DOT) com.invalid>,
Mike D <md03NOSPAM (AT) xochiNOSPAM (DOT) com.invalid> wrote:

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sam grey <sgrey (AT) invalid (DOT) com> wrote:

In article <1fzbiu7.16dsvyh1u4on4qN%md03NOSPAM (AT) xochiNOSPAM (DOT) com.invalid>,
md03NOSPAM (AT) xochiNOSPAM (DOT) com.invalid (Mike D) wrote:

Thank you!

It sounds like my concern is valid: that unless running OSX Server with
Server Monitor, one could lose one drive an never know it untill the 2nd
drive failed as well...

I suppose; you could keep checking with Disk Utility, which tells you when
and if an array is degraded.

Interesting idea. I wonder if there is a command-line utility to do
this? Any darwin/unix gurus out there? If there is, it should be
trivial to write a cron job to send an email when one drive fails...
The command line version of Disk Utility is called "diskutil." You
probably want either the "info" subcommand or "checkRAID" -- I bet the
latter.

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Default Re: What happens when RAID 1 fails under Mac OS X? - 08-08-2003 , 11:16 AM



On Fri, 08 Aug 2003 08:24:06 -0700,
Jerry Kindall (jerrykindall (AT) nospam (DOT) invalid) wrote:
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In article <1fzd4sm.8kei8511voq6nN%md03NOSPAM (AT) xochiNOSPAM (DOT) com.invalid>,
Interesting idea. I wonder if there is a command-line utility to do
this? Any darwin/unix gurus out there? If there is, it should be
trivial to write a cron job to send an email when one drive fails...

The command line version of Disk Utility is called "diskutil." You
probably want either the "info" subcommand or "checkRAID" -- I bet the
latter.
Thanks Jerry! I've been looking for a command-line utility to check
RAID status.

Adding "diskutil checkRAID" to root's crontab works very well!

Beverly
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