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Default Slow copying to container fields - 06-12-2007 , 06:16 AM






Hi all

I have a small database hosted on a fairly old Mac (G4 tower with 512 of
ram) and I am trying to copy zip files (all around 85mb) to container
fields. it seems to take ages. a good five mins to copy in then a few mins
when you click in the field and a few more clicking out. is this unavoidable
or are there ways to improve this.

I understand it could be various reasons (network speed, cache for the
database that sort of thing) but just wondered if any one had a pearl or two
of wisdom they could share

my machine is xp filemaker 8.5v3 and the server is upto date as well

Thanks
Craig



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Default Re: Slow copying to container fields - 06-12-2007 , 12:09 PM







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Quote:
Hi all

I have a small database hosted on a fairly old Mac (G4 tower with 512 of
ram) and I am trying to copy zip files (all around 85mb) to container
fields. it seems to take ages. a good five mins to copy in then a few mins
when you click in the field and a few more clicking out. is this
unavoidable or are there ways to improve this.

I understand it could be various reasons (network speed, cache for the
database that sort of thing) but just wondered if any one had a pearl or
two of wisdom they could share

my machine is xp filemaker 8.5v3 and the server is upto date as well

Thanks
Craig

A good reason might be that, although it is possible to do, FileMaker was
never intended to store such amounts of data. It might be a good way to
distribute all files that you need, but I would strongly suggest to
reconsider. Filemaker has to store these data somehow and for all actions
space has to be made, as well as Data-integration-translation-verification
has to take place. Buying a screemer for a computer might help, but I still
wouldn't count on it.

Keep well, Ursus




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Default Re: Slow copying to container fields - 06-13-2007 , 03:24 AM




"Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> wrote

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"cw" <c (AT) nodomain (DOT) con> schreef in bericht
news:dfidnRzAz4IBHfPbnZ2dnUVZ8t-nnZ2d (AT) bt (DOT) com...
Hi all

I have a small database hosted on a fairly old Mac (G4 tower with 512 of
ram) and I am trying to copy zip files (all around 85mb) to container
fields. it seems to take ages. a good five mins to copy in then a few
mins when you click in the field and a few more clicking out. is this
unavoidable or are there ways to improve this.

I understand it could be various reasons (network speed, cache for the
database that sort of thing) but just wondered if any one had a pearl or
two of wisdom they could share

my machine is xp filemaker 8.5v3 and the server is upto date as well

Thanks
Craig

A good reason might be that, although it is possible to do, FileMaker was
never intended to store such amounts of data. It might be a good way to
distribute all files that you need, but I would strongly suggest to
reconsider. Filemaker has to store these data somehow and for all actions
space has to be made, as well as Data-integration-translation-verification
has to take place. Buying a screemer for a computer might help, but I
still wouldn't count on it.

Keep well, Ursus

I was worried about that

is there any way to link the files in the container field to a shared folder
for the web to get to but only the users I want to

the database (db1) basically stores a copy of another database (db2) that
our clients buy, depending on what they buy dictates what is in their copy
of db2, so I don't want clients accessing other clients copies.

any thoughts?

Thanks
Craig

the database is hosted through instant web publishing for our clients




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Default Re: Slow copying to container fields - 06-13-2007 , 01:03 PM



Quote:
I was worried about that

is there any way to link the files in the container field to a shared
folder for the web to get to but only the users I want to

the database (db1) basically stores a copy of another database (db2) that
our clients buy, depending on what they buy dictates what is in their copy
of db2, so I don't want clients accessing other clients copies.

any thoughts?

Thanks
Craig

the database is hosted through instant web publishing for our clients
Let me see if I understand. You have a hosted solution consisting of two
files. File one is allways distributed and is allways the same. It is
referenced to a second file that has a different layout and contents for
each distribution. And the solution is built in such a way that you can swap
file two around and it would still work.

OR

you have a one file solution that is the result of a copy of a motherfile.

The first is very vulnarable and difficult to protect.

The second is very easy to protect. Just set up access and privileges for
every user and let access to layouts and fields be governed by this. Very
easy to hide certain fields or to empty calculations using the current
account.

BUT

I must say it not entirely clear what exactly your setup is, what you store
in your file(s) and how the zips are now part of you distribition process.

Keep well, ursus




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Default Re: Slow copying to container fields - 06-14-2007 , 07:11 AM




"Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> wrote


Quote:
the database is hosted through instant web publishing for our clients
Let me see if I understand. You have a hosted solution consisting of two
files. File one is allways distributed and is allways the same. It is
referenced to a second file that has a different layout and contents for
each distribution. And the solution is built in such a way that you can
swap file two around and it would still work.

OR

you have a one file solution that is the result of a copy of a motherfile.

The first is very vulnarable and difficult to protect.

The second is very easy to protect. Just set up access and privileges for
every user and let access to layouts and fields be governed by this. Very
easy to hide certain fields or to empty calculations using the current
account.

BUT

I must say it not entirely clear what exactly your setup is, what you
store in your file(s) and how the zips are now part of you distribition
process.

Keep well, ursus



sorry I will try to explain it a bit better

we currently have one large database that we enter various market data into
(market shares, trends, forecasts and values)

clients who buy our market data would normally get a cut down version of our
database (in runtime)containing just the data they bought.

now we used to send these out on a cd to all our clients but this took a
very long time. to make up all the cd,s (burning, case printing)

so now I have created a second database (client library) where we put a
zipped runtime in to a container field and allow clients to access this
database through iwp, they have passwords setup so they can only see records
that match their username, and ultimately download a zip copy of their
database.

hope that helps

the original problem was that it took ages to copy the zipped runtimes into
the database (client library) and I wondered if there was a way to link the
files somewhere where access could be limited to specific clients/usernames




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Default Re: Slow copying to container fields - 06-14-2007 , 12:10 PM



In article <DbSdncV365c6rezbnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d (AT) bt (DOT) com>
"cw"<c (AT) nodomain (DOT) con> wrote:

Quote:
"Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> wrote in message
news:46703161$0$7240$dbd4b001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl...

the database is hosted through instant web publishing for our
clients
Let me see if I understand. You have a hosted solution consisting
of two files. File one is allways distributed and is allways the
same. It is referenced to a second file that has a different layout
and contents for each distribution. And the solution is built in
such a way that you can swap file two around and it would still
work.

OR

you have a one file solution that is the result of a copy of a
motherfile.
The first is very vulnarable and difficult to protect.

The second is very easy to protect. Just set up access and
privileges for every user and let access to layouts and fields be
governed by this. Very easy to hide certain fields or to empty
calculations using the current account.

BUT

I must say it not entirely clear what exactly your setup is, what
you store in your file(s) and how the zips are now part of you
distribition process.

Keep well, ursus




sorry I will try to explain it a bit better

we currently have one large database that we enter various market
data into (market shares, trends, forecasts and values)

clients who buy our market data would normally get a cut down
version of our database (in runtime)containing just the data they
bought.

now we used to send these out on a cd to all our clients but this
took a very long time. to make up all the cd,s (burning, case
printing)

so now I have created a second database (client library) where we
put a zipped runtime in to a container field and allow clients to
access this database through iwp, they have passwords setup so they
can only see records that match their username, and ultimately
download a zip copy of their database.

hope that helps

the original problem was that it took ages to copy the zipped
runtimes into the database (client library) and I wondered if there
was a way to link the files somewhere where access could be limited
to specific clients/usernames

Would it make sense to place the zipped files elsewhere on the server,
with just a calculated download link displayed in IWP?
Matt


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You can download it at http://www.malcom-mac.com/nemo



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Default Re: Slow copying to container fields - 06-14-2007 , 12:16 PM



In article <nemoThu061407010838 (AT) news (DOT) verizon.net> Matt
WIlls<Im (AT) Witz (DOT) End> wrote:

Quote:
In article
DbSdncV365c6rezbnZ2dnUVZ8vSdnZ2d (AT...main (DOT) con> wrote:

"Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> wrote in message
news:46703161$0$7240$dbd4b001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl...

the database is hosted through instant web publishing for our
clients
Let me see if I understand. You have a hosted solution
consisting of two files. File one is allways distributed and is
allways the same. It is referenced to a second file that has a
different layout and contents for each distribution. And the
solution is built in such a way that you can swap file two around
and it would still
work.

OR

you have a one file solution that is the result of a copy of a
motherfile.
The first is very vulnarable and difficult to protect.

The second is very easy to protect. Just set up access and
privileges for every user and let access to layouts and fields be
governed by this. Very easy to hide certain fields or to empty
calculations using the current account.

BUT

I must say it not entirely clear what exactly your setup is,
what you store in your file(s) and how the zips are now part of
you distribition process.

Keep well, ursus




sorry I will try to explain it a bit better

we currently have one large database that we enter various market
data into (market shares, trends, forecasts and values)

clients who buy our market data would normally get a cut down
version of our database (in runtime)containing just the data they
bought.

now we used to send these out on a cd to all our clients but this
took a very long time. to make up all the cd,s (burning, case
printing)

so now I have created a second database (client library) where we
put a zipped runtime in to a container field and allow clients to
access this database through iwp, they have passwords setup so they
can only see records that match their username, and ultimately
download a zip copy of their database.

hope that helps

the original problem was that it took ages to copy the zipped
runtimes into the database (client library) and I wondered if there
was a way to link the files somewhere where access could be limited
to specific clients/usernames

Would it make sense to place the zipped files elsewhere on the
server,with just a calculated download link displayed in IWP?
Matt

Come to think of it, would it not make even more sense to export the
client's data to a text file, have them download that and import it
into their copy of the runtime, instead of repeatedly downloading the
entire populated runtime?
Matt

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I'm trying a new usenet client for Mac, Nemo OS X.
You can download it at http://www.malcom-mac.com/nemo



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Default Re: Slow copying to container fields - 06-14-2007 , 02:06 PM



Quote:
the original problem was that it took ages to copy the zipped
runtimes into the database (client library) and I wondered if there
was a way to link the files somewhere where access could be limited
to specific clients/usernames

Would it make sense to place the zipped files elsewhere on the
server,with just a calculated download link displayed in IWP?
Matt


Come to think of it, would it not make even more sense to export the
client's data to a text file, have them download that and import it
into their copy of the runtime, instead of repeatedly downloading the
entire populated runtime?
Matt

Yes that is what I was thinking. It would much easier to create a runtime,
made for the end-user. Then create an import routine in this. Then export
the data you want to export and let the client run the import routine. Would
be much smaller as well.

Keep well, Ursus




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Default Re: Slow copying to container fields - 06-18-2007 , 08:51 AM




"Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> wrote

Quote:
the original problem was that it took ages to copy the zipped
runtimes into the database (client library) and I wondered if there
was a way to link the files somewhere where access could be limited
to specific clients/usernames

Would it make sense to place the zipped files elsewhere on the
server,with just a calculated download link displayed in IWP?
Matt


Come to think of it, would it not make even more sense to export the
client's data to a text file, have them download that and import it
into their copy of the runtime, instead of repeatedly downloading the
entire populated runtime?
Matt

Yes that is what I was thinking. It would much easier to create a runtime,
made for the end-user. Then create an import routine in this. Then export
the data you want to export and let the client run the import routine.
Would be much smaller as well.

Keep well, Ursus

The export routine would be fairly hefty to do as there are quite a few
(50+) tables and around 40 clients who all order different parts

this is really a short term solution as I am hoping to be able to setup
remote application with the windows 2008 server for our clients and have one
copy with password restricted access.

Thanks
Craig





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