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Lawrence Leichtman
 
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Default Online backup - 12-12-2005 , 08:03 AM






Has anyone used an online backup service that works well with Macintosh
and is reasonably priced? Getting backups to offiste storage isn't
always easy and in an area-wide disaster may not be sufficient.

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Jonathan Peirce
 
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Default Re: Online backup - 12-15-2005 , 08:42 AM






Yes, I use Backup with my .mac account.
http://www.mac.com

JP

<larry-B57666.09031912122005 (AT) news (DOT) east.cox.net>, Lawrence Leichtman
<larry (AT) lleichtman (DOT) org> wrote:

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Has anyone used an online backup service that works well with Macintosh
and is reasonably priced? Getting backups to offiste storage isn't
always easy and in an area-wide disaster may not be sufficient.

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Bill Marriott
 
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Default Re: Online backup - 12-15-2005 , 01:13 PM



Actually, if your only concern is backup of FileMaker data, I think the
ultimate way is to use a reputable FileMaker hosting service (I recommend
oditech.com) because almost all of them perform daily automated backups of
your databases, which you can download at any time via FTP. As a side
benefit your database is automatically networked, so it's like getting
FileMaker Server Advanced as part of the deal. Of course, they are much more
expensive than shared Linux hosts.

In defense of the hosting providers, I still think they are great for
backing up key files. I use 7-Zip for compression (amazing compression
rates!) and back up my important stuff there regularly. It's all handled
nicely by a script that works each time I reboot my computer. It's an
incremental backup so the actual sessions are quite reasonably short. The
total files I have backed up account for about 3GB of space (compressed)
which works out to about 10GB of actual data. (Yes, 7-Zip is THAT good!)

My own backup strategy is that I have a dedicated PC which runs Retrospect
Remote on all the computers in the home. This runs silently and
unobtrusively, and automatically keeps older versions of files, etc. I also
periodically use Drive Image 7 to "image" the startup volume, so I can
quickly restore my system. (Retrospect doesn't "image" disks, so it's better
suited for data backup.) The backup media is a 300GB disk connected via USB
to the server, so it's easy to swap out if it gets full.

So, between the boot disk images, the USB Retrospect drive (that can be
grabbed in an instant), ODI Tech hosting (and backing up) my essential
FileMaker files, and the network backup of my key stuff to my hosting
provider, I think I've got it covered.

Bill


"42" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote

Quote:
Most of your alternatives could be countered by:

"You'd do better to burn a DVD or 2 and mail it to your aunt each
month."

For a medium size daily backup a DVD can't be beat. A small stack of
rotating daily DVD-RWs, with a DVD-R set for weekly or monthly backups
is cheaper and better an online backup.

Imho online backup solutions are really ideally suited to *small*
critical datasets (less than 100 MBs) that you sync daily. Sure .mac is
not the cheapest in the lot, but you do get a rash of other services
which may or may not be valuable.

Plus I strongly advocate daily, or at least weekly backups for any sort
of user with a remotely active business.

For users with larger datasets, well beyond 100 MBs, say into the 5-
10GBs range then an online solution becomes quite impractical for the
average soho/or midsize business using typical internet connections.

Both in terms of transfer time which at average adsl upstream speads
(<1MBit/sec -- 5GBs/10GBs would take a minimum of 11hrs/22hrs
respectively to upload, and ISP cost... even a weekly backup amounts to
up to 25GB-50GB upstream per month, while a daily backup (which would be
running near continuously would amount ~110GB-220GB upstream even if you
just did it on business days... both well beyond your average ADSL
package. (I know a number of my clients pay around 100 - 200 bucks a
month for less than 10GBs total transter.)

Those online hosts with large spaces, like 5GBs and beyond, are really
only suitable for 'archival' purposes, I'd recommend smaller home-office
based FM consultants/contractors to consider using one to store backups
of completed projects for clients for example... 5GBs will hold a lot of
empty clones, documentation, etc... but you won't be moving that much
data into and out of it on a regular basis... and there is the added
benefit that you've got internet access to a clean clone anytime,
anywhere.

In other words, imho, a large online space is a good place to put a
"backup" of something for long term storage yet keep it accessible...
but I don't think its really suitable for regular backups of even
modestly large files.

best regards,
Dave



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42
 
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Default Re: Online backup - 12-15-2005 , 10:03 PM



Yes. Your system does sound pretty comprehensive.

Although, mailing a couple DVDs a month to your aunt would probably be
cheaper

I think incremental backups are a double edged sword, for a general
purpose desktop back up... sure I think they work well. Although I find
them occasionally exceedingly frustrating to restore from. But in
filemaker's specific case they are quite useless, as you tend to need so
many of your files backed up (and usually all the large ones) that its
just simpler to back up all of them.

-cheers,
Dave

In article <2I-dnQooZ_HrXTzenZ2dnUVZ_sSdnZ2d (AT) giganews (DOT) com>, wjm (AT) wjm (DOT) org
says...
Quote:
Actually, if your only concern is backup of FileMaker data, I think the
ultimate way is to use a reputable FileMaker hosting service (I recommend
oditech.com) because almost all of them perform daily automated backups of
your databases, which you can download at any time via FTP. As a side
benefit your database is automatically networked, so it's like getting
FileMaker Server Advanced as part of the deal. Of course, they are much more
expensive than shared Linux hosts.

In defense of the hosting providers, I still think they are great for
backing up key files. I use 7-Zip for compression (amazing compression
rates!) and back up my important stuff there regularly. It's all handled
nicely by a script that works each time I reboot my computer. It's an
incremental backup so the actual sessions are quite reasonably short. The
total files I have backed up account for about 3GB of space (compressed)
which works out to about 10GB of actual data. (Yes, 7-Zip is THAT good!)

My own backup strategy is that I have a dedicated PC which runs Retrospect
Remote on all the computers in the home. This runs silently and
unobtrusively, and automatically keeps older versions of files, etc. I also
periodically use Drive Image 7 to "image" the startup volume, so I can
quickly restore my system. (Retrospect doesn't "image" disks, so it's better
suited for data backup.) The backup media is a 300GB disk connected via USB
to the server, so it's easy to swap out if it gets full.

So, between the boot disk images, the USB Retrospect drive (that can be
grabbed in an instant), ODI Tech hosting (and backing up) my essential
FileMaker files, and the network backup of my key stuff to my hosting
provider, I think I've got it covered.

Bill


"42" <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e0b543fbd0ef7c1989e05 (AT) shawnews (DOT) vf.shawcable.net...
Most of your alternatives could be countered by:

"You'd do better to burn a DVD or 2 and mail it to your aunt each
month."

For a medium size daily backup a DVD can't be beat. A small stack of
rotating daily DVD-RWs, with a DVD-R set for weekly or monthly backups
is cheaper and better an online backup.

Imho online backup solutions are really ideally suited to *small*
critical datasets (less than 100 MBs) that you sync daily. Sure .mac is
not the cheapest in the lot, but you do get a rash of other services
which may or may not be valuable.

Plus I strongly advocate daily, or at least weekly backups for any sort
of user with a remotely active business.

For users with larger datasets, well beyond 100 MBs, say into the 5-
10GBs range then an online solution becomes quite impractical for the
average soho/or midsize business using typical internet connections.

Both in terms of transfer time which at average adsl upstream speads
(<1MBit/sec -- 5GBs/10GBs would take a minimum of 11hrs/22hrs
respectively to upload, and ISP cost... even a weekly backup amounts to
up to 25GB-50GB upstream per month, while a daily backup (which would be
running near continuously would amount ~110GB-220GB upstream even if you
just did it on business days... both well beyond your average ADSL
package. (I know a number of my clients pay around 100 - 200 bucks a
month for less than 10GBs total transter.)

Those online hosts with large spaces, like 5GBs and beyond, are really
only suitable for 'archival' purposes, I'd recommend smaller home-office
based FM consultants/contractors to consider using one to store backups
of completed projects for clients for example... 5GBs will hold a lot of
empty clones, documentation, etc... but you won't be moving that much
data into and out of it on a regular basis... and there is the added
benefit that you've got internet access to a clean clone anytime,
anywhere.

In other words, imho, a large online space is a good place to put a
"backup" of something for long term storage yet keep it accessible...
but I don't think its really suitable for regular backups of even
modestly large files.

best regards,
Dave




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