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JF Fortier
 
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Default New Window Fonction - 12-21-2006 , 04:55 PM






Hi

When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new
window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to the
right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not minimize
but gets smaller.

It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a button.

When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that ?!?

FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2

Any clues ?

Thank you

JF



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Matt Wills
 
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Default Re: New Window Fonction - 12-21-2006 , 06:04 PM






If the existing window is maximized, FM will minimize it when opening a new window.

First maximize the main window, then resize it to just one pixel smaller than the max size. It will stay that size when a new window is opened.

Matt

On 12/21/2006 17:55:47 "JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> wrote:

Quote:
Hi

When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new
window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to the
right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not
minimize but gets smaller.

It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a button.

When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that ?!?

FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2

Any clues ?

Thank you

JF

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Ursus
 
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Default Re: New Window Fonction - 12-21-2006 , 07:34 PM



To make the new window visible inside the program FM changes from full size
to "just smaller" size. The new window can be made visible then. When
maximized you always see just one window. This is Windoze only.

Ursus

"JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> schreef in
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Quote:
Hi

When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new
window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to the
right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not
minimize but gets smaller.

It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a button.

When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that ?!?

FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2

Any clues ?

Thank you

JF




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JF Fortier
 
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Default OK, but this is not a solution!! - 12-22-2006 , 03:47 PM



OK

But this is not the way to make a better working solution ! One pixel
smaller, smaller then what ? having a script depending on screen resolution
and workstation, that change the size, and #2 when getting the window
smaller, make the bleu window title bar appear, and when closing the new pop
windows, the the previous back ground windows still smaller.

That's what a hate about new feature, it's never perfect the 1st time !
always something wrong with the fonction ! so way do we have to pay full
price for that ! hum..... my 2 cents !

JF


"Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> a écrit dans le message de news:
458b361b$0$16662$dbd41001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl...
Quote:
To make the new window visible inside the program FM changes from full
size to "just smaller" size. The new window can be made visible then. When
maximized you always see just one window. This is Windoze only.

Ursus

"JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> schreef in
bericht news:NjEih.6993$pc5.57391 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net...
Hi

When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new
window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to
the right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not
minimize but gets smaller.

It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a
button.

When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that ?!?

FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2

Any clues ?

Thank you

JF






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Matt Wills
 
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Default Re: OK, but this is not a solution!! - 12-22-2006 , 04:47 PM



As explained, the reason the original window minimized when you opened a new window is because the original window was maximized.

Since that is apparently the size you're going for, make it one pixel smaller than that. Two script steps is all it takes:

Adjust Window [ Maximize ]
Move/Resize Window [ Current Window; Height: Get ( WindowHeight ) - 1 ]

When a new window opens, this one will remain sized as is.

As regards "new feature," window controls aren't. They were introduced in version 7 and, in my opinion, have worked just fine all along. I have used multiple windows extensively for everything from data input to warnings to help systems without problem. I especially like being able to have one window showing a controls layout and another displaying data. Having consistent controls is so much easier: when a modification is necessary, I have to change only one layout.

Matt


On 12/22/2006 16:47:59 "JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> wrote:

Quote:
OK

But this is not the way to make a better working solution ! One pixel
smaller, smaller then what ? having a script depending on screen
resolution and workstation, that change the size, and #2 when getting the
window smaller, make the bleu window title bar appear, and when closing
the new pop windows, the the previous back ground windows still smaller.

That's what a hate about new feature, it's never perfect the 1st time !
always something wrong with the fonction ! so way do we have to pay full
price for that ! hum..... my 2 cents !

JF

"Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> a écrit dans le message de news:
458b361b$0$16662$dbd41001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl...

To make the new window visible inside the program FM changes from full
size to "just smaller" size. The new window can be made visible then.
When maximized you always see just one window. This is Windoze only.

Ursus

"JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> schreef in
bericht news:NjEih.6993$pc5.57391 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net...

Hi

When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new
window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to
the right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not
minimize but gets smaller.

It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a
button.

When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that ?!?

FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2

Any clues ?

Thank you

JF

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Ursus
 
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Default Re: OK, but this is not a solution!! - 12-23-2006 , 09:53 AM



Matt,

I think he wants a smaller window ontop of a maximized window. Which can NOT
be done. As you explained he has to resize one way or the other.

Ursus

"Matt Wills" <Im (AT) witz (DOT) end> schreef in bericht
news:12221747.VPWFSLSL (AT) news (DOT) verizon.net...
Quote:
As explained, the reason the original window minimized when you opened a
new window is because the original window was maximized.

Since that is apparently the size you're going for, make it one pixel
smaller than that. Two script steps is all it takes:

Adjust Window [ Maximize ]
Move/Resize Window [ Current Window; Height: Get ( WindowHeight ) - 1 ]

When a new window opens, this one will remain sized as is.

As regards "new feature," window controls aren't. They were introduced in
version 7 and, in my opinion, have worked just fine all along. I have used
multiple windows extensively for everything from data input to warnings to
help systems without problem. I especially like being able to have one
window showing a controls layout and another displaying data. Having
consistent controls is so much easier: when a modification is necessary, I
have to change only one layout.

Matt


On 12/22/2006 16:47:59 "JF Fortier"
climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> wrote:

OK

But this is not the way to make a better working solution ! One pixel
smaller, smaller then what ? having a script depending on screen
resolution and workstation, that change the size, and #2 when getting the
window smaller, make the bleu window title bar appear, and when closing
the new pop windows, the the previous back ground windows still smaller.

That's what a hate about new feature, it's never perfect the 1st time !
always something wrong with the fonction ! so way do we have to pay full
price for that ! hum..... my 2 cents !

JF

"Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> a écrit dans le message de news:
458b361b$0$16662$dbd41001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl...

To make the new window visible inside the program FM changes from full
size to "just smaller" size. The new window can be made visible then.
When maximized you always see just one window. This is Windoze only.

Ursus

"JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> schreef in
bericht news:NjEih.6993$pc5.57391 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net...

Hi

When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new
window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to
the right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not
minimize but gets smaller.

It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a
button.

When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that
?!?

FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2

Any clues ?

Thank you

JF



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Matt Wills
 
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Default Re: OK, but this is not a solution!! - 12-23-2006 , 03:45 PM



No, it can't be done. So it becomes a matter of what one is willing to do to accomplish the closest effect possible.

If making the window smaller is the only way to avoid it being minimized when a new window is opened, then so be it.

M

On 12/23/2006 10:53:20 "Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> wrote:

Quote:
Matt,

I think he wants a smaller window ontop of a maximized window. Which can
NOT be done. As you explained he has to resize one way or the other.

Ursus

"Matt Wills" <Im (AT) witz (DOT) end> schreef in bericht
news:12221747.VPWFSLSL (AT) news (DOT) verizon.net...

As explained, the reason the original window minimized when you opened a
new window is because the original window was maximized.

Since that is apparently the size you're going for, make it one pixel
smaller than that. Two script steps is all it takes:

Adjust Window [ Maximize ] Move/Resize Window [ Current Window; Height:
Get ( WindowHeight ) - 1 ]

When a new window opens, this one will remain sized as is.

As regards "new feature," window controls aren't. They were introduced
in version 7 and, in my opinion, have worked just fine all along. I have
used multiple windows extensively for everything from data input to
warnings to help systems without problem. I especially like being able
to have one window showing a controls layout and another displaying data.
Having consistent controls is so much easier: when a modification is
necessary, I have to change only one layout.

Matt

On 12/22/2006 16:47:59 "JF Fortier"
climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> wrote:

OK

But this is not the way to make a better working solution ! One pixel
smaller, smaller then what ? having a script depending on screen
resolution and workstation, that change the size, and #2 when getting
the window smaller, make the bleu window title bar appear, and when
closing the new pop windows, the the previous back ground windows still
smaller.

That's what a hate about new feature, it's never perfect the 1st time !
always something wrong with the fonction ! so way do we have to pay
full price for that ! hum..... my 2 cents !

JF

"Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> a écrit dans le message de news:
458b361b$0$16662$dbd41001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl...

To make the new window visible inside the program FM changes from full
size to "just smaller" size. The new window can be made visible then.
When maximized you always see just one window. This is Windoze only.

Ursus

"JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> schreef in
bericht news:NjEih.6993$pc5.57391 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net...

Hi

When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new
window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to
the right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not
minimize but gets smaller.

It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a
button.

When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that
?!?

FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2

Any clues ?

Thank you

JF

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Howard Schlossberg
 
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Default Re: OK, but this is not a solution!! - 12-23-2006 , 04:02 PM



The idea is that either all your windows are going to be maximized, or
they will all be unmaximized. But you can't have a mixture of both. I
usually choose to leave all windows unmaximized so that I can take
advantage of pop-up windows for dialogs. To do this, I size a 'splash'
layout in each file so that it is as big as possible while unmaximized.
Then upon startup, I have a script go to that layout and resize to
fit. Now the default for each window isa as big as possible while still
not being maximized.

JF Fortier wrote:
Quote:
OK

But this is not the way to make a better working solution ! One pixel
smaller, smaller then what ? having a script depending on screen resolution
and workstation, that change the size, and #2 when getting the window
smaller, make the bleu window title bar appear, and when closing the new pop
windows, the the previous back ground windows still smaller.

That's what a hate about new feature, it's never perfect the 1st time !
always something wrong with the fonction ! so way do we have to pay full
price for that ! hum..... my 2 cents !

JF


"Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> a écrit dans le message de news:
458b361b$0$16662$dbd41001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl...
To make the new window visible inside the program FM changes from full
size to "just smaller" size. The new window can be made visible then. When
maximized you always see just one window. This is Windoze only.

Ursus

"JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> schreef in
bericht news:NjEih.6993$pc5.57391 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net...
Hi

When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new
window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to
the right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not
minimize but gets smaller.

It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a
button.

When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that ?!?

FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2

Any clues ?

Thank you

JF




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FM Professional Solutions, Inc. Los Angeles

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Associate Member, FileMaker Solutions Alliance


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JF Fortier
 
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Default Re: OK, but this is not a solution!! - 12-27-2006 , 01:08 PM



The impossible mix of max and unmax windows.... is this a limitation on
Microscrap Windows of FM ??

It's always nicer to have a Full windows maximise and then having a popup
splash windows in the middle and then come back to the previous one without
having to script resizing all the time.... I think on the Mac version, it
don't do that ?!?! all can be max ?!

Having the title bar in windows apprear when you unmax a windows reduce the
viewing spaces, unless you know a way to get that out ?? no window top bar,
and have us control the real size and closing of this window. I never work
in VB, but I know it's possible to do that.....

JF


"Howard Schlossberg" <howard (AT) antispahm (DOT) fmprosolutions.com> a écrit dans le
message de news: 12or9s371puca86 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...
Quote:
The idea is that either all your windows are going to be maximized, or
they will all be unmaximized. But you can't have a mixture of both. I
usually choose to leave all windows unmaximized so that I can take
advantage of pop-up windows for dialogs. To do this, I size a 'splash'
layout in each file so that it is as big as possible while unmaximized.
Then upon startup, I have a script go to that layout and resize to fit.
Now the default for each window isa as big as possible while still not
being maximized.

JF Fortier wrote:
OK

But this is not the way to make a better working solution ! One pixel
smaller, smaller then what ? having a script depending on screen
resolution and workstation, that change the size, and #2 when getting
the window smaller, make the bleu window title bar appear, and when
closing the new pop windows, the the previous back ground windows still
smaller.

That's what a hate about new feature, it's never perfect the 1st time !
always something wrong with the fonction ! so way do we have to pay full
price for that ! hum..... my 2 cents !

JF


"Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> a écrit dans le message de news:
458b361b$0$16662$dbd41001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl...
To make the new window visible inside the program FM changes from full
size to "just smaller" size. The new window can be made visible then.
When maximized you always see just one window. This is Windoze only.

Ursus

"JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> schreef in
bericht news:NjEih.6993$pc5.57391 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net...
Hi

When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new
window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to
the right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not
minimize but gets smaller.

It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a
button.

When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that
?!?

FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2

Any clues ?

Thank you

JF





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FM Professional Solutions, Inc. Los Angeles

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Bill Marriott
 
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Default Re: OK, but this is not a solution!! - 12-27-2006 , 05:40 PM



It is and isn't a limitation in Windows.

FileMaker is using the "MDI" style of presentation. (Multiple Document
Interface)

In this scheme, you have a "master" window for the application, and all
child windows live "within" that window. They are either maximized, in which
case they fill the application window, no title bar, and obscure all other
open documents. Or, they are iconified (minimized), or they behave like
regular windows, with title bars, but restricted to the region of the
application window.

Now, not all windows have to follow this policy. For example, any of
FileMaker's dialog boxes, or the custom dialog box presented via
ScriptMaker.

The problem is using a new database window to simulate a dialog box or
palette. They are considered documents in their own right, and this is what
messed up the MDI scheme. It would be a nice feature request for FileMaker
to allow one to set the "decorations" of a window, even making it modal, to
allow the sort of thing you want to do.

You're right that VB and other development environments allow far more
control over the presentation of user interface. It's definitely an area
that needs more attention in FileMaker.

- Bill

"JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> wrote

Quote:
The impossible mix of max and unmax windows.... is this a limitation on
Microscrap Windows of FM ??

It's always nicer to have a Full windows maximise and then having a popup
splash windows in the middle and then come back to the previous one
without having to script resizing all the time.... I think on the Mac
version, it don't do that ?!?! all can be max ?!

Having the title bar in windows apprear when you unmax a windows reduce
the viewing spaces, unless you know a way to get that out ?? no window
top bar, and have us control the real size and closing of this window. I
never work in VB, but I know it's possible to do that.....

JF


"Howard Schlossberg" <howard (AT) antispahm (DOT) fmprosolutions.com> a écrit dans le
message de news: 12or9s371puca86 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com...
The idea is that either all your windows are going to be maximized, or
they will all be unmaximized. But you can't have a mixture of both. I
usually choose to leave all windows unmaximized so that I can take
advantage of pop-up windows for dialogs. To do this, I size a 'splash'
layout in each file so that it is as big as possible while unmaximized.
Then upon startup, I have a script go to that layout and resize to fit.
Now the default for each window isa as big as possible while still not
being maximized.

JF Fortier wrote:
OK

But this is not the way to make a better working solution ! One pixel
smaller, smaller then what ? having a script depending on screen
resolution and workstation, that change the size, and #2 when getting
the window smaller, make the bleu window title bar appear, and when
closing the new pop windows, the the previous back ground windows still
smaller.

That's what a hate about new feature, it's never perfect the 1st time !
always something wrong with the fonction ! so way do we have to pay full
price for that ! hum..... my 2 cents !

JF


"Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> a écrit dans le message de news:
458b361b$0$16662$dbd41001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl...
To make the new window visible inside the program FM changes from full
size to "just smaller" size. The new window can be made visible then.
When maximized you always see just one window. This is Windoze only.

Ursus

"JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> schreef in
bericht news:NjEih.6993$pc5.57391 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net...
Hi

When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new
window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to
the right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not
minimize but gets smaller.

It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a
button.

When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that
?!?

FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2

Any clues ?

Thank you

JF





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FM Professional Solutions, Inc. Los Angeles

FileMaker 8 Certified Developer
Associate Member, FileMaker Solutions Alliance





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