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It is and isn't a limitation in Windows. FileMaker is using the "MDI" style of presentation. (Multiple Document Interface) In this scheme, you have a "master" window for the application, and all child windows live "within" that window. They are either maximized, in which case they fill the application window, no title bar, and obscure all other open documents. Or, they are iconified (minimized), or they behave like regular windows, with title bars, but restricted to the region of the application window. Now, not all windows have to follow this policy. For example, any of FileMaker's dialog boxes, or the custom dialog box presented via ScriptMaker. The problem is using a new database window to simulate a dialog box or palette. They are considered documents in their own right, and this is what messed up the MDI scheme. It would be a nice feature request for FileMaker to allow one to set the "decorations" of a window, even making it modal, to allow the sort of thing you want to do. You're right that VB and other development environments allow far more control over the presentation of user interface. It's definitely an area that needs more attention in FileMaker. - Bill "JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:Uyzkh.46073$Ld4.796104 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net... The impossible mix of max and unmax windows.... is this a limitation on Microscrap Windows of FM ?? It's always nicer to have a Full windows maximise and then having a popup splash windows in the middle and then come back to the previous one without having to script resizing all the time.... I think on the Mac version, it don't do that ?!?! all can be max ?! Having the title bar in windows apprear when you unmax a windows reduce the viewing spaces, unless you know a way to get that out ?? no window top bar, and have us control the real size and closing of this window. I never work in VB, but I know it's possible to do that..... JF "Howard Schlossberg" <howard (AT) antispahm (DOT) fmprosolutions.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 12or9s371puca86 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... The idea is that either all your windows are going to be maximized, or they will all be unmaximized. But you can't have a mixture of both. I usually choose to leave all windows unmaximized so that I can take advantage of pop-up windows for dialogs. To do this, I size a 'splash' layout in each file so that it is as big as possible while unmaximized. Then upon startup, I have a script go to that layout and resize to fit. Now the default for each window isa as big as possible while still not being maximized. JF Fortier wrote: OK But this is not the way to make a better working solution ! One pixel smaller, smaller then what ? having a script depending on screen resolution and workstation, that change the size, and #2 when getting the window smaller, make the bleu window title bar appear, and when closing the new pop windows, the the previous back ground windows still smaller. That's what a hate about new feature, it's never perfect the 1st time ! always something wrong with the fonction ! so way do we have to pay full price for that ! hum..... my 2 cents ! JF "Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> a écrit dans le message de news: 458b361b$0$16662$dbd41001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl... To make the new window visible inside the program FM changes from full size to "just smaller" size. The new window can be made visible then. When maximized you always see just one window. This is Windoze only. Ursus "JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> schreef in bericht news:NjEih.6993$pc5.57391 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net... Hi When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to the right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not minimize but gets smaller. It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a button. When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that ?!? FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2 Any clues ? Thank you JF -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Howard Schlossberg (818) 883-2846 FM Professional Solutions, Inc. Los Angeles FileMaker 8 Certified Developer Associate Member, FileMaker Solutions Alliance |
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YES, but how to you script FM to Maximize the Master Window? If we can do that, then all child windows can be sized under script control. You can script a window to be modal ... that is, you cannot close it or go to another window without hitting a scripted button. Guy -- ------------------------------------------------- www.nsbtaxi.com Captain Guy s/v Island Time (352#277) AICW 845.5 386-689-5088 "Bill Marriott" <wjm (AT) wjm (DOT) org> wrote in message news:d7KdnYFnpaLjmQ7YnZ2dnUVZ_rOqnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... It is and isn't a limitation in Windows. FileMaker is using the "MDI" style of presentation. (Multiple Document Interface) In this scheme, you have a "master" window for the application, and all child windows live "within" that window. They are either maximized, in which case they fill the application window, no title bar, and obscure all other open documents. Or, they are iconified (minimized), or they behave like regular windows, with title bars, but restricted to the region of the application window. Now, not all windows have to follow this policy. For example, any of FileMaker's dialog boxes, or the custom dialog box presented via ScriptMaker. The problem is using a new database window to simulate a dialog box or palette. They are considered documents in their own right, and this is what messed up the MDI scheme. It would be a nice feature request for FileMaker to allow one to set the "decorations" of a window, even making it modal, to allow the sort of thing you want to do. You're right that VB and other development environments allow far more control over the presentation of user interface. It's definitely an area that needs more attention in FileMaker. - Bill "JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:Uyzkh.46073$Ld4.796104 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net... The impossible mix of max and unmax windows.... is this a limitation on Microscrap Windows of FM ?? It's always nicer to have a Full windows maximise and then having a popup splash windows in the middle and then come back to the previous one without having to script resizing all the time.... I think on the Mac version, it don't do that ?!?! all can be max ?! Having the title bar in windows apprear when you unmax a windows reduce the viewing spaces, unless you know a way to get that out ?? no window top bar, and have us control the real size and closing of this window. I never work in VB, but I know it's possible to do that..... JF "Howard Schlossberg" <howard (AT) antispahm (DOT) fmprosolutions.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 12or9s371puca86 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... The idea is that either all your windows are going to be maximized, or they will all be unmaximized. But you can't have a mixture of both. I usually choose to leave all windows unmaximized so that I can take advantage of pop-up windows for dialogs. To do this, I size a 'splash' layout in each file so that it is as big as possible while unmaximized. Then upon startup, I have a script go to that layout and resize to fit. Now the default for each window isa as big as possible while still not being maximized. JF Fortier wrote: OK But this is not the way to make a better working solution ! One pixel smaller, smaller then what ? having a script depending on screen resolution and workstation, that change the size, and #2 when getting the window smaller, make the bleu window title bar appear, and when closing the new pop windows, the the previous back ground windows still smaller. That's what a hate about new feature, it's never perfect the 1st time ! always something wrong with the fonction ! so way do we have to pay full price for that ! hum..... my 2 cents ! JF "Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> a écrit dans le message de news: 458b361b$0$16662$dbd41001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl... To make the new window visible inside the program FM changes from full size to "just smaller" size. The new window can be made visible then. When maximized you always see just one window. This is Windoze only. Ursus "JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> schreef in bericht news:NjEih.6993$pc5.57391 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net... Hi When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to the right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not minimize but gets smaller. It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a button. When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that ?!? FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2 Any clues ? Thank you JF -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Howard Schlossberg (818) 883-2846 FM Professional Solutions, Inc. Los Angeles FileMaker 8 Certified Developer Associate Member, FileMaker Solutions Alliance |
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YES, but how to you script FM to Maximize the Master Window? If we can do that, then all child windows can be sized under script control. You can script a window to be modal ... that is, you cannot close it or go to another window without hitting a scripted button. Guy -- ------------------------------------------------- www.nsbtaxi.com Captain Guy s/v Island Time (352#277) AICW 845.5 386-689-5088 "Bill Marriott" <wjm (AT) wjm (DOT) org> wrote in message news:d7KdnYFnpaLjmQ7YnZ2dnUVZ_rOqnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... It is and isn't a limitation in Windows. FileMaker is using the "MDI" style of presentation. (Multiple Document Interface) In this scheme, you have a "master" window for the application, and all child windows live "within" that window. They are either maximized, in which case they fill the application window, no title bar, and obscure all other open documents. Or, they are iconified (minimized), or they behave like regular windows, with title bars, but restricted to the region of the application window. Now, not all windows have to follow this policy. For example, any of FileMaker's dialog boxes, or the custom dialog box presented via ScriptMaker. The problem is using a new database window to simulate a dialog box or palette. They are considered documents in their own right, and this is what messed up the MDI scheme. It would be a nice feature request for FileMaker to allow one to set the "decorations" of a window, even making it modal, to allow the sort of thing you want to do. You're right that VB and other development environments allow far more control over the presentation of user interface. It's definitely an area that needs more attention in FileMaker. - Bill "JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:Uyzkh.46073$Ld4.796104 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net... The impossible mix of max and unmax windows.... is this a limitation on Microscrap Windows of FM ?? It's always nicer to have a Full windows maximise and then having a popup splash windows in the middle and then come back to the previous one without having to script resizing all the time.... I think on the Mac version, it don't do that ?!?! all can be max ?! Having the title bar in windows apprear when you unmax a windows reduce the viewing spaces, unless you know a way to get that out ?? no window top bar, and have us control the real size and closing of this window. I never work in VB, but I know it's possible to do that..... JF "Howard Schlossberg" <howard (AT) antispahm (DOT) fmprosolutions.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 12or9s371puca86 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... The idea is that either all your windows are going to be maximized, or they will all be unmaximized. But you can't have a mixture of both. I usually choose to leave all windows unmaximized so that I can take advantage of pop-up windows for dialogs. To do this, I size a 'splash' layout in each file so that it is as big as possible while unmaximized. Then upon startup, I have a script go to that layout and resize to fit. Now the default for each window isa as big as possible while still not being maximized. JF Fortier wrote: OK But this is not the way to make a better working solution ! One pixel smaller, smaller then what ? having a script depending on screen resolution and workstation, that change the size, and #2 when getting the window smaller, make the bleu window title bar appear, and when closing the new pop windows, the the previous back ground windows still smaller. That's what a hate about new feature, it's never perfect the 1st time ! always something wrong with the fonction ! so way do we have to pay full price for that ! hum..... my 2 cents ! JF "Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> a écrit dans le message de news: 458b361b$0$16662$dbd41001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl... To make the new window visible inside the program FM changes from full size to "just smaller" size. The new window can be made visible then. When maximized you always see just one window. This is Windoze only. Ursus "JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> schreef in bericht news:NjEih.6993$pc5.57391 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net... Hi When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to the right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not minimize but gets smaller. It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a button. When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that ?!? FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2 Any clues ? Thank you JF -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Howard Schlossberg (818) 883-2846 FM Professional Solutions, Inc. Los Angeles FileMaker 8 Certified Developer Associate Member, FileMaker Solutions Alliance |
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The "master window" is the application window. The child windows are all equal in stature, except for the "active" window -- the frontmost one. You can't make one of them a background and still follow MDI. "Guy" <sailor (AT) guym (DOT) com> wrote in message news:l6Fkh.7789$X72.6875 (AT) newsread3 (DOT) news.pas.earthlink.net... YES, but how to you script FM to Maximize the Master Window? If we can do that, then all child windows can be sized under script control. You can script a window to be modal ... that is, you cannot close it or go to another window without hitting a scripted button. Guy -- ------------------------------------------------- www.nsbtaxi.com Captain Guy s/v Island Time (352#277) AICW 845.5 386-689-5088 "Bill Marriott" <wjm (AT) wjm (DOT) org> wrote in message news:d7KdnYFnpaLjmQ7YnZ2dnUVZ_rOqnZ2d (AT) comcast (DOT) com... It is and isn't a limitation in Windows. FileMaker is using the "MDI" style of presentation. (Multiple Document Interface) In this scheme, you have a "master" window for the application, and all child windows live "within" that window. They are either maximized, in which case they fill the application window, no title bar, and obscure all other open documents. Or, they are iconified (minimized), or they behave like regular windows, with title bars, but restricted to the region of the application window. Now, not all windows have to follow this policy. For example, any of FileMaker's dialog boxes, or the custom dialog box presented via ScriptMaker. The problem is using a new database window to simulate a dialog box or palette. They are considered documents in their own right, and this is what messed up the MDI scheme. It would be a nice feature request for FileMaker to allow one to set the "decorations" of a window, even making it modal, to allow the sort of thing you want to do. You're right that VB and other development environments allow far more control over the presentation of user interface. It's definitely an area that needs more attention in FileMaker. - Bill "JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> wrote in message news:Uyzkh.46073$Ld4.796104 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net... The impossible mix of max and unmax windows.... is this a limitation on Microscrap Windows of FM ?? It's always nicer to have a Full windows maximise and then having a popup splash windows in the middle and then come back to the previous one without having to script resizing all the time.... I think on the Mac version, it don't do that ?!?! all can be max ?! Having the title bar in windows apprear when you unmax a windows reduce the viewing spaces, unless you know a way to get that out ?? no window top bar, and have us control the real size and closing of this window. I never work in VB, but I know it's possible to do that..... JF "Howard Schlossberg" <howard (AT) antispahm (DOT) fmprosolutions.com> a écrit dans le message de news: 12or9s371puca86 (AT) corp (DOT) supernews.com... The idea is that either all your windows are going to be maximized, or they will all be unmaximized. But you can't have a mixture of both. I usually choose to leave all windows unmaximized so that I can take advantage of pop-up windows for dialogs. To do this, I size a 'splash' layout in each file so that it is as big as possible while unmaximized. Then upon startup, I have a script go to that layout and resize to fit. Now the default for each window isa as big as possible while still not being maximized. JF Fortier wrote: OK But this is not the way to make a better working solution ! One pixel smaller, smaller then what ? having a script depending on screen resolution and workstation, that change the size, and #2 when getting the window smaller, make the bleu window title bar appear, and when closing the new pop windows, the the previous back ground windows still smaller. That's what a hate about new feature, it's never perfect the 1st time ! always something wrong with the fonction ! so way do we have to pay full price for that ! hum..... my 2 cents ! JF "Ursus" <ursus.kirk (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> a écrit dans le message de news: 458b361b$0$16662$dbd41001 (AT) news (DOT) wanadoo.nl... To make the new window visible inside the program FM changes from full size to "just smaller" size. The new window can be made visible then. When maximized you always see just one window. This is Windoze only. Ursus "JF Fortier" <climatisationfortier-removespam (AT) videotron (DOT) ca> schreef in bericht news:NjEih.6993$pc5.57391 (AT) wagner (DOT) videotron.net... Hi When I try to assign to a button the "Go to related record" with a new window fonction with my main screen Maximize, the new window pop up to the right location but my main windows is no longer maximize, it's not minimize but gets smaller. It's doing the same thing with the new window fonction assign to a button. When I try the Lynda, Beyond FM8, the demo on the CD does.nt do that ?!? FM8.5 Advanced with Windows XP SP2 Any clues ? Thank you JF -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Howard Schlossberg (818) 883-2846 FM Professional Solutions, Inc. Los Angeles FileMaker 8 Certified Developer Associate Member, FileMaker Solutions Alliance |
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