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Ed Marmon
 
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Default new user question: database limitations for size/records - 01-30-2007 , 03:40 PM






Im looking at 8.5, and coming from CRM's such as Act! ( 2006) and
Goldmine dbase ( 6.7), as well as the new MS BCM. Act! is using sql
express 2005, as is MS BCM, and that has a file size limitation of 4gigs.
Goldmine still uses old Borland, and that has the same 4 gig limitation.

The above let you put about 50,000 contacts with reasonable notes and
history ( Goldmine ) and up to 200,000 -ish for ACt!, without it starting
to get slow.

What are some numbers from users out there for standalone database size
for *.fm7, and can I fit a good 250,000- 350,000 records on a 1-2gig ram
athlon64 3000 7200RPM HD?

I know, I know, it all depends on the number of fields, etc., but
ballpark-wise, are we reasonably sure that FM 8.5 can handle that fine in
the real world?

I will use it to do periodic email blasts ( small subsets ), keep notes
and histories and invoices. Business is photography and photographic
supplies and products. Thanks.

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Ed Marmon
 
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Default Re: new user question: database limitations for size/records - 01-31-2007 , 08:33 AM






Thank you. Needless to say, you wouldnt advocate something like Microsoft
Business Contact Manager, with the SQL 2005 Express engine, over FM8, eh?

It's nice that it's integrated with outlook email and calendar, which FM
lacks, but the ability to manipulate and design the database in MSBCM...
UGH, meant more for monkeys than humans...

"Remi-Noel Menegaux" <rnmenegaux_AT_free.fr> wrote in
news:45c02a9a$0$22587$426a74cc (AT) news (DOT) free.fr:

Quote:
Yes, FM8.5 can handle that easily. The only thing to think of is the
design of the solution that has to take into account the large number
of records : one should avoid sorts on all records, for example, and
make first either a 'find' or a relationship to restrict the number of
record to be treated. Just yo give you an example I have a pretty
complex solution in FM6 that has been working 24/7 for years with
FMS(Server) 55 and 15 workstations that handles 25 files, some of
which having 500 000 records (typically with 200-400 fields) with no
noticeable delay in their operation. That business is renting VHS
tapes and DVDs. So in short : take this into account when designing
the solution, that's all.
One advice, though, place the actual images or photos into separate
shared folders - one file per image - and just put the 'reference' (ie
the path to the actual file) into the 'Container' fields in FM,
possibly in a dedicated table (for easier maintenance).
Remi-Noel

"Ed Marmon" <unlisted@.com.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
Xns98C8A98E3E3F5edmarmailcom (AT) 69 (DOT) 28.186.158...
Im looking at 8.5, and coming from CRM's such as Act! ( 2006) and
Goldmine dbase ( 6.7), as well as the new MS BCM. Act! is using sql
express 2005, as is MS BCM, and that has a file size limitation of
4gigs. Goldmine still uses old Borland, and that has the same 4 gig
limitation.

The above let you put about 50,000 contacts with reasonable notes and
history ( Goldmine ) and up to 200,000 -ish for ACt!, without it
starting to get slow.

What are some numbers from users out there for standalone database
size for *.fm7, and can I fit a good 250,000- 350,000 records on a
1-2gig ram athlon64 3000 7200RPM HD?

I know, I know, it all depends on the number of fields, etc., but
ballpark-wise, are we reasonably sure that FM 8.5 can handle that
fine in the real world?

I will use it to do periodic email blasts ( small subsets ), keep
notes and histories and invoices. Business is photography and
photographic supplies and products. Thanks.




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Remi-Noel Menegaux
 
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Default Re: new user question: database limitations for size/records - 01-31-2007 , 09:09 AM



Sorry, I can't answer nor comment on what you said, I know only FileMaker and what it can do. And it is able to do a lot of this including - sometimes with the help of plugins - calendar functions and emailing. And I know also that it is powerful, reliable and pretty easy to handle to make operational solutions.
Remi-Noel


"Ed Marmon" <unlisted@.com.com> a écrit dans le message de news: Xns98C96143F8F79edmarmailcom (AT) 69 (DOT) 28.186.158...
Quote:
Thank you. Needless to say, you wouldnt advocate something like Microsoft
Business Contact Manager, with the SQL 2005 Express engine, over FM8, eh?

It's nice that it's integrated with outlook email and calendar, which FM
lacks, but the ability to manipulate and design the database in MSBCM...
UGH, meant more for monkeys than humans...

"Remi-Noel Menegaux" <rnmenegaux_AT_free.fr> wrote in
news:45c02a9a$0$22587$426a74cc (AT) news (DOT) free.fr:

Yes, FM8.5 can handle that easily. The only thing to think of is the
design of the solution that has to take into account the large number
of records : one should avoid sorts on all records, for example, and
make first either a 'find' or a relationship to restrict the number of
record to be treated. Just yo give you an example I have a pretty
complex solution in FM6 that has been working 24/7 for years with
FMS(Server) 55 and 15 workstations that handles 25 files, some of
which having 500 000 records (typically with 200-400 fields) with no
noticeable delay in their operation. That business is renting VHS
tapes and DVDs. So in short : take this into account when designing
the solution, that's all.
One advice, though, place the actual images or photos into separate
shared folders - one file per image - and just put the 'reference' (ie
the path to the actual file) into the 'Container' fields in FM,
possibly in a dedicated table (for easier maintenance).
Remi-Noel

"Ed Marmon" <unlisted@.com.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
Xns98C8A98E3E3F5edmarmailcom (AT) 69 (DOT) 28.186.158...
Im looking at 8.5, and coming from CRM's such as Act! ( 2006) and
Goldmine dbase ( 6.7), as well as the new MS BCM. Act! is using sql
express 2005, as is MS BCM, and that has a file size limitation of
4gigs. Goldmine still uses old Borland, and that has the same 4 gig
limitation.

The above let you put about 50,000 contacts with reasonable notes and
history ( Goldmine ) and up to 200,000 -ish for ACt!, without it
starting to get slow.

What are some numbers from users out there for standalone database
size for *.fm7, and can I fit a good 250,000- 350,000 records on a
1-2gig ram athlon64 3000 7200RPM HD?

I know, I know, it all depends on the number of fields, etc., but
ballpark-wise, are we reasonably sure that FM 8.5 can handle that
fine in the real world?

I will use it to do periodic email blasts ( small subsets ), keep
notes and histories and invoices. Business is photography and
photographic supplies and products. Thanks.




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Ed Marmon
 
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Default Re: new user question: database limitations for size/records - 01-31-2007 , 11:37 AM



Thanks again for your detailed response earlier.

"Remi-Noel Menegaux" <rnmenegaux_AT_free.fr> wrote in
news:45c0b11c$0$24310$426a74cc (AT) news (DOT) free.fr:

Quote:
Sorry, I can't answer nor comment on what you said, I know only
FileMaker and what it can do. And it is able to do a lot of this
including - sometimes with the help of plugins - calendar functions
and emailing. And I know also that it is powerful, reliable and pretty
easy to handle to make operational solutions. Remi-Noel


"Ed Marmon" <unlisted@.com.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
Xns98C96143F8F79edmarmailcom (AT) 69 (DOT) 28.186.158...
Thank you. Needless to say, you wouldnt advocate something like
Microsoft
Business Contact Manager, with the SQL 2005 Express engine, over FM8,
eh?

It's nice that it's integrated with outlook email and calendar, which
FM
lacks, but the ability to manipulate and design the database in
MSBCM...
UGH, meant more for monkeys than humans...

"Remi-Noel Menegaux" <rnmenegaux_AT_free.fr> wrote in
news:45c02a9a$0$22587$426a74cc (AT) news (DOT) free.fr:

Yes, FM8.5 can handle that easily. The only thing to think of is the
design of the solution that has to take into account the large
number of records : one should avoid sorts on all records, for
example, and make first either a 'find' or a relationship to
restrict the number
of
record to be treated. Just yo give you an example I have a pretty
complex solution in FM6 that has been working 24/7 for years with
FMS(Server) 55 and 15 workstations that handles 25 files, some of
which having 500 000 records (typically with 200-400 fields) with no
noticeable delay in their operation. That business is renting VHS
tapes and DVDs. So in short : take this into account when designing
the solution, that's all.
One advice, though, place the actual images or photos into separate
shared folders - one file per image - and just put the 'reference'
(ie
the path to the actual file) into the 'Container' fields in FM,
possibly in a dedicated table (for easier maintenance).
Remi-Noel

"Ed Marmon" <unlisted@.com.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
Xns98C8A98E3E3F5edmarmailcom (AT) 69 (DOT) 28.186.158...
Im looking at 8.5, and coming from CRM's such as Act! ( 2006) and
Goldmine dbase ( 6.7), as well as the new MS BCM. Act! is using
sql express 2005, as is MS BCM, and that has a file size limitation
of 4gigs. Goldmine still uses old Borland, and that has the same 4
gig limitation.

The above let you put about 50,000 contacts with reasonable notes
and
history ( Goldmine ) and up to 200,000 -ish for ACt!, without it
starting to get slow.

What are some numbers from users out there for standalone database
size for *.fm7, and can I fit a good 250,000- 350,000 records on a
1-2gig ram athlon64 3000 7200RPM HD?

I know, I know, it all depends on the number of fields, etc., but
ballpark-wise, are we reasonably sure that FM 8.5 can handle that
fine in the real world?

I will use it to do periodic email blasts ( small subsets ), keep
notes and histories and invoices. Business is photography and
photographic supplies and products. Thanks.






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Remi-Noel Menegaux
 
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Default Re: new user question: database limitations for size/records - 01-31-2007 , 11:34 PM



Yes, FM8.5 can handle that easily. The only thing to think of is the design
of the solution that has to take into account the large number of records :
one should avoid sorts on all records, for example, and make first either a
'find' or a relationship to restrict the number of record to be treated.
Just yo give you an example I have a pretty complex solution in FM6 that has
been working 24/7 for years with FMS(Server) 55 and 15 workstations that
handles 25 files, some of which having 500 000 records (typically with
200-400 fields) with no noticeable delay in their operation. That business
is renting VHS tapes and DVDs.
So in short : take this into account when designing the solution, that's
all.
One advice, though, place the actual images or photos into separate shared
folders - one file per image - and just put the 'reference' (ie the path to
the actual file) into the 'Container' fields in FM, possibly in a dedicated
table (for easier maintenance).
Remi-Noel

"Ed Marmon" <unlisted@.com.com> a écrit dans le message de news:
Xns98C8A98E3E3F5edmarmailcom (AT) 69 (DOT) 28.186.158...
Quote:
Im looking at 8.5, and coming from CRM's such as Act! ( 2006) and
Goldmine dbase ( 6.7), as well as the new MS BCM. Act! is using sql
express 2005, as is MS BCM, and that has a file size limitation of 4gigs.
Goldmine still uses old Borland, and that has the same 4 gig limitation.

The above let you put about 50,000 contacts with reasonable notes and
history ( Goldmine ) and up to 200,000 -ish for ACt!, without it starting
to get slow.

What are some numbers from users out there for standalone database size
for *.fm7, and can I fit a good 250,000- 350,000 records on a 1-2gig ram
athlon64 3000 7200RPM HD?

I know, I know, it all depends on the number of fields, etc., but
ballpark-wise, are we reasonably sure that FM 8.5 can handle that fine in
the real world?

I will use it to do periodic email blasts ( small subsets ), keep notes
and histories and invoices. Business is photography and photographic
supplies and products. Thanks.



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