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Default Lion vs Snow Leopard and FMP 11 Advanced - 11-29-2011 , 05:28 PM






Mac 10.6.8 / FMP 8.0 Adv and 11 Adv

I am in the process of revising my database from FMP 8.0 Adv that does
not play nicely with Snow Leopard to 11 Adv. which is working well at
this stage of revision. In anyone's experience, are there any
conflicts when upgrading to Lion?

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Default Re: Lion vs Snow Leopard and FMP 11 Advanced - 11-30-2011 , 03:01 PM






Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet (AT) gmx (DOT) net> wrote:

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On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:28:39 -0800 (PST), CRC123 wrote:
I am in the process of revising my database from FMP 8.0 Adv that does
not play nicely with Snow Leopard to 11 Adv. which is working well at
this stage of revision. In anyone's experience, are there any
conflicts when upgrading to Lion?

There are several old things which are not supported in Lion. Export to
Excel is one of them.
To be precise: export to .xls (Excel versions prior to 2007) is not
supported in Lion (for any version of FileMaker Pro). FM Pro 10 and 11
can export to .xlsx (Excel 2007 and later).

These FileMaker knowledge base articles on Lion compatibility may help:

FileMaker 11 products:

http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9713 (overview)
http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9901 (Pro)
http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9756 (Server)

FileMaker 10 products (or earlier):

http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9710

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Default Re: Lion vs Snow Leopard and FMP 11 Advanced - 11-30-2011 , 04:21 PM



In article <1kbk8dh.12mfrqklcx9odN%dempson (AT) actrix (DOT) gen.nz>,
dempson (AT) actrix (DOT) gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

Quote:
Martin ?rautmann <t-usenet (AT) gmx (DOT) net> wrote:

On Tue, 29 Nov 2011 15:28:39 -0800 (PST), CRC123 wrote:
I am in the process of revising my database from FMP 8.0 Adv that does
not play nicely with Snow Leopard to 11 Adv. which is working well at
this stage of revision. In anyone's experience, are there any
conflicts when upgrading to Lion?

There are several old things which are not supported in Lion. Export to
Excel is one of them.

To be precise: export to .xls (Excel versions prior to 2007) is not
supported in Lion (for any version of FileMaker Pro). FM Pro 10 and 11
can export to .xlsx (Excel 2007 and later).

These FileMaker knowledge base articles on Lion compatibility may help:

FileMaker 11 products:

http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9713 (overview)
http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9901 (Pro)
http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9756 (Server)

FileMaker 10 products (or earlier):

http://help.filemaker.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/9710
You can export to the more recent Excel format which is .xlsx

The older .xls file format is PowerPC only. To use on an Intel Mac, it
requires Rosetta. Rosetta is not supported by Lion.

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Default Re: Lion vs Snow Leopard and FMP 11 Advanced - 11-30-2011 , 06:27 PM



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<bbcollins-EB0830.17212830112011 (AT) 70-3-168-216 (DOT) pools.spcsdns.net>, Bill
<bbcollins (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:
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You can export to the more recent Excel format which is .xlsx

The older .xls file format is PowerPC only. To use on an Intel Mac, it
requires Rosetta. Rosetta is not supported by Lion.
The newest version of Excel that saves as .xls format by default may be
PowerPC only (I haven't checked), but the .xls file format itself has no
relation to the chip being used - it can be opened and saved on many
operating systems, CPU chips, and spreadsheet / database software. Newer
versions of Excel do still open and save .xls formatted documents.

FileMaker has (apparently) decided they want to abandon the ability to
export to the older .xls format, but you can still work around that by
exporting to CSV or tab-delimited text formats, which any version of Excel
will open and can then be re-saved as .xls.

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Default Re: Lion vs Snow Leopard and FMP 11 Advanced - 12-01-2011 , 03:47 AM



Your Name <yourname (AT) yourisp (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
In article
bbcollins-EB0830.17212830112011 (AT)...ls.spcsdns.net>, Bill
bbcollins (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

You can export to the more recent Excel format which is .xlsx

The older .xls file format is PowerPC only. To use on an Intel Mac, it
requires Rosetta. Rosetta is not supported by Lion.

The newest version of Excel that saves as .xls format by default may be
PowerPC only (I haven't checked),
Office 2008 and Office 2011 are universal, and they can save .xls files
on Lion, and at least 2008 can be configured to save .xls as the default
format.

Numbers '09 can export a spreadsheet in .xls format, and I assume that
still works in Lion.

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but the .xls file format itself has no relation to the chip being used -
it can be opened and saved on many operating systems, CPU chips, and
spreadsheet / database software. Newer versions of Excel do still open and
save .xls formatted documents.
Agreed.

Furthermore, FileMaker Pro can import .xls flies on Lion, so the .xls
import feature isn't dependent on PowerPC code.

It is just the .xls export feature of FileMaker Pro which doesn't work
or is missing in Lion.

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FileMaker has (apparently) decided they want to abandon the ability to
export to the older .xls format, but you can still work around that by
exporting to CSV or tab-delimited text formats, which any version of Excel
will open and can then be re-saved as .xls.

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Default Re: Lion vs Snow Leopard and FMP 11 Advanced - 12-01-2011 , 08:30 AM



In article
<yourname-0112111327490001 (AT) 203-118-175-126 (DOT) nzwide.ihug.co.nz>,
yourname (AT) yourisp (DOT) com (Your Name) wrote:

Quote:
In article
bbcollins-EB0830.17212830112011 (AT)...ls.spcsdns.net>, Bill
bbcollins (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

You can export to the more recent Excel format which is .xlsx

The older .xls file format is PowerPC only. To use on an Intel Mac, it
requires Rosetta. Rosetta is not supported by Lion.

The newest version of Excel that saves as .xls format by default may be
PowerPC only (I haven't checked),
It is. That would be any Office 2004 component on Mac, 2003 on Windows.

Quote:
but the .xls file format itself has no
relation to the chip being used - it can be opened and saved on many
operating systems, CPU chips, and spreadsheet / database software. Newer
versions of Excel do still open and save .xls formatted documents.
True.

Quote:
FileMaker has (apparently) decided they want to abandon the ability to
export to the older .xls format, but you can still work around that by
exporting to CSV or tab-delimited text formats, which any version of Excel
will open and can then be re-saved as .xls.
It's not a completely unreasonable decision, since that's now what, two
full release versions out of date? Still getting security updates for
Office 2004 Mac, but that will cease in a couple of years I expect. And,
as you say, there's always comma or tab delimited Excel files.

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Default Re: Lion vs Snow Leopard and FMP 11 Advanced - 12-01-2011 , 10:51 AM



In article <slrnjdf7ab.7a.t-usenet (AT) ID-685 (DOT) user.individual.de>,
Martin ɱrautmann <t-usenet (AT) gmx (DOT) net> wrote:

Quote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:30:25 -0500, David Stone wrote:
It's not a completely unreasonable decision, since that's now what, two
full release versions out of date? Still getting security updates for
Office 2004 Mac, but that will cease in a couple of years I expect. And,
as you say, there's always comma or tab delimited Excel files.

.xls is still a more or less common exchange format, with little known
flaws. On the other hand newer formats may cause trouble, especially
when used by non-microsoft products.
In which case, install the OpenXML converter on any pre-Lion machines,
and the .xlsx format is transparently available. You may even be able
to script conversion with it using folder automation?

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Default Re: Lion vs Snow Leopard and FMP 11 Advanced - 12-01-2011 , 02:01 PM



In article <no.email-31D0F5.09302501122011 (AT) news (DOT) eternal-september.org>,
David Stone <no.email (AT) domain (DOT) invalid> wrote:
Quote:
In article
yourname-0112111327490001 (AT) 203-1...ide.ihug.co.nz>,
yourname (AT) yourisp (DOT) com (Your Name) wrote:

snip

FileMaker has (apparently) decided they want to abandon the ability to
export to the older .xls format, but you can still work around that by
exporting to CSV or tab-delimited text formats, which any version of Excel
will open and can then be re-saved as .xls.

It's not a completely unreasonable decision, since that's now what, two
full release versions out of date? Still getting security updates for
Office 2004 Mac, but that will cease in a couple of years I expect. And,
as you say, there's always comma or tab delimited Excel files.
It is completely unreasonable ... I'm still using Office 2001. ;o)

Given how even more horrible each new release of Office is to use (the
current one is awful), I'll probably still be using Office 2001 in another
10 years time.

Helpful Harry )

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Default Re: Lion vs Snow Leopard and FMP 11 Advanced - 12-01-2011 , 02:03 PM



In article <slrnjdf7ab.7a.t-usenet (AT) ID-685 (DOT) user.individual.de>,
traut (AT) gmx (DOT) de wrote:
Quote:
On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:30:25 -0500, David Stone wrote:
It's not a completely unreasonable decision, since that's now what, two
full release versions out of date? Still getting security updates for
Office 2004 Mac, but that will cease in a couple of years I expect. And,
as you say, there's always comma or tab delimited Excel files.

.xls is still a more or less common exchange format, with little known
flaws. On the other hand newer formats may cause trouble, especially
when used by non-microsoft products.
All the Office formats have "flaws" and cause trouble, even when used on
other versions of Office. (

Helpful Harry )

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Default Re: Lion vs Snow Leopard and FMP 11 Advanced - 12-01-2011 , 02:06 PM



In article <no.email-1B074B.11515701122011 (AT) news (DOT) eternal-september.org>,
David Stone <no.email (AT) domain (DOT) invalid> wrote:

Quote:
In article <slrnjdf7ab.7a.t-usenet (AT) ID-685 (DOT) user.individual.de>,
Martin ɱrautmann <t-usenet (AT) gmx (DOT) net> wrote:

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 09:30:25 -0500, David Stone wrote:
It's not a completely unreasonable decision, since that's now what, two
full release versions out of date? Still getting security updates for
Office 2004 Mac, but that will cease in a couple of years I expect. And,
as you say, there's always comma or tab delimited Excel files.

.xls is still a more or less common exchange format, with little known
flaws. On the other hand newer formats may cause trouble, especially
when used by non-microsoft products.

In which case, install the OpenXML converter on any pre-Lion machines,
and the .xlsx format is transparently available. You may even be able
to script conversion with it using folder automation?
I don't think OpenXML works on my Mac running Mac OS 9 and Mac OS 10.1. )

I usually just to get the other person to re-save and send the document in
a "proper" format.


Helpful Harry )

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