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Default Filemaker Tabs - header and body overlap - 10-31-2005 , 11:34 AM






I found a weird problem with FM8.0v1 (Advanced) tabs.

I positioned a tab set overlapping the header and body parts, such that
the tabs themselves are in the header, and the main part is in the body
part. I'm viewing this layout as a List.

Unfortunately, doing this causes EVERY item in ALL tabs to show up
simultaneously.

I really like the tabs, would be nice if they worked properly. Has
anyone found a work around for this particular glitch?


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Default Re: Filemaker Tabs - header and body overlap - 10-31-2005 , 12:20 PM






In article <2005103109344616807%bob@nowherecom>, bob (AT) nowhere (DOT) com says...
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I found a weird problem with FM8.0v1 (Advanced) tabs.

I positioned a tab set overlapping the header and body parts, such that
the tabs themselves are in the header, and the main part is in the body
part. I'm viewing this layout as a List.
Fields, portals, etc aren't supposed to cross the header/body (and other
"part" lines. It doesn't really matter in single record view, but the
behaviour is undefined and erratic in list view.

Quote:
Unfortunately, doing this causes EVERY item in ALL tabs to show up
simultaneously.
Even if it didn't it *would* show the same data in every line, because
an object that hangs down from the header is part of the header - and
displays data from the 'current' record. (The selected record, in list
view.)


Quote:
I really like the tabs, would be nice if they worked properly. Has
anyone found a work around for this particular glitch?
They are working properly. You are "abusing" them.

I'm pretty sure of what you are trying to accomplish, but unfortunately
tabs cannot be used that way.


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Default Re: Filemaker Tabs - header and body overlap - 10-31-2005 , 01:19 PM



On 2005-10-31 10:20:18 -0800, 42 <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> said:

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In article <2005103109344616807%bob@nowherecom>, bob (AT) nowhere (DOT) com says...
I found a weird problem with FM8.0v1 (Advanced) tabs.

I positioned a tab set overlapping the header and body parts, such that
the tabs themselves are in the header, and the main part is in the body
part. I'm viewing this layout as a List.

Fields, portals, etc aren't supposed to cross the header/body (and
other "part" lines. It doesn't really matter in single record view, but
the behaviour is undefined and erratic in list view.

Unfortunately, doing this causes EVERY item in ALL tabs to show up
simultaneously.

Even if it didn't it *would* show the same data in every line, because
an object that hangs down from the header is part of the header - and
displays data from the 'current' record. (The selected record, in list
view.)


I really like the tabs, would be nice if they worked properly. Has
anyone found a work around for this particular glitch?

They are working properly. You are "abusing" them.
I'm pretty sure of what you are trying to accomplish, but unfortunately
tabs cannot be used that way.
rats, what a drag... they SHOULD work that way. it would have been such
a slick implementation, very 'Filemakerish'. Tabs ARE new, perhaps FM
will see fit to make them usable this way.

serious PITA designing faux-tabs to pull this off. but, I've come to
expect this kind of shortsightedness from filemaker though; still, so
much of that has been solved in 8, I WAS hoping.

thanks for short circuiting a time consuming path, owe ya one!

g.



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Default Re: Filemaker Tabs - header and body overlap - 10-31-2005 , 01:56 PM



In article <2005103111191016807%bob@nowherecom>, bob (AT) nowhere (DOT) com says...
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On 2005-10-31 10:20:18 -0800, 42 <nospam (AT) nospam (DOT) com> said:

In article <2005103109344616807%bob@nowherecom>, bob (AT) nowhere (DOT) com says...
I found a weird problem with FM8.0v1 (Advanced) tabs.

I positioned a tab set overlapping the header and body parts, such that
the tabs themselves are in the header, and the main part is in the body
part. I'm viewing this layout as a List.

Fields, portals, etc aren't supposed to cross the header/body (and
other "part" lines. It doesn't really matter in single record view, but
the behaviour is undefined and erratic in list view.

Unfortunately, doing this causes EVERY item in ALL tabs to show up
simultaneously.

Even if it didn't it *would* show the same data in every line, because
an object that hangs down from the header is part of the header - and
displays data from the 'current' record. (The selected record, in list
view.)


I really like the tabs, would be nice if they worked properly. Has
anyone found a work around for this particular glitch?

They are working properly. You are "abusing" them.
I'm pretty sure of what you are trying to accomplish, but unfortunately
tabs cannot be used that way.

rats, what a drag... they SHOULD work that way. it would have been such
a slick implementation, very 'Filemakerish'. Tabs ARE new, perhaps FM
will see fit to make them usable this way.
I doubt it, at least not with "tabs". Its not so much that its broken
and they didn't think of it. Its more that, its only coincidence that
your attempted usage of them even made sense.

In general, dropping tabs over part-boundaries just doesn't make sense.
Suppose you'd overlapped it from the body to the footer, where the tab
selectors were in each record but the fields were in the footer...

Or if you'd overlapped with subsummary parts so that the tab selectors
were only visible in print preview? or overlapped a the grand leading
header with the page header? etc etc

Or what if instead of lining it up "just so" so that the selectors were
in the header, and the fields were in the body if you'd line it up so
that half of the selector was in the header, and the other half was in
the body? Or if half the fields were in the header and half in the body?

As you can see, in the broader sense it just doesn't really make sense.
It *would* be nice if FM did what you wanted without a lot of work, but
even if it did, it probaby would be done with scripts and tab-like
'panels' that could be selectively hidden and displayed, or something
like that ... so that it wouldn't need to rely on such positional
coincidence to work.

-regards,
Dave




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