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Filemaker 9 and thin client
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Filemaker 9 and thin client -
05-14-2007
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Hello, There is some talk on the internet about Filemaker 9. The thing that interests me the most is the rumor that there will be a thin-client version (A filemaker application that allows you to login on a served file with full functionality but whitout the "programming" cababilities of the normal version of FMP). Is there somebody out there who knows more about this and even more interesting... what will be the pricing. Thank you, Marc |
Any new feature (or rather every new feature) will remain a secret untill
FileMaker presents us with the specs. This will be the day the product
launches.
Keep Well, Ursu
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Any new feature (or rather every new feature) will remain a secret untill FileMaker presents us with the specs. This will be the day the product launches. Keep Well, Ursu |
world, features of new products are very often leaked to the public in
advance of the release date.
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On May 14, 5:01 am, "Ursus" <ursus.k... (AT) wanadoo (DOT) nl> wrote: Any new feature (or rather every new feature) will remain a secret untill FileMaker presents us with the specs. This will be the day the product launches. Keep Well, Ursu I'm not sure what magical wonderland you live in, Ursu, but in my world, features of new products are very often leaked to the public in advance of the release date. |
so far from the mark that it's not funny ... who's using their tablet
Mac right now?? Nobody?? That's strange since the product details were
"leaked" about six years ago and it was supposedly being used by
Disneyland staff.
\Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
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Is there somebody out there who knows more about this |
competition, in particular 4D to get an idea of how this will very
likely work.
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and even more interesting... what will be the pricing. |
it could somehow make money on it. Obviously it *should* be markedly
less than filemaker pro, but equally obviously most filemaker users
only need a thin client so Filemaker wasn't keen to cannibalize their
sales by letting everyone upgrade to a cheaper solution.
Worse it makes filemaker pro itself something of a lame duck, that I
can't really see many people wanting. I'd expect anyone doing even
half-serious development to run advanced. And most users can use 'thin-
client' without blinking. Is there enough of a market for a product
tier that can do 'most of the design stuff' but not all of it?
What would the pricing have to be for a client to make sense? The same
as filemaker pro, or close to it?? If they do that, the only people
interested in it would be IT admins looking to actively prevent users
from creating personal databases on the side or something. (I'm sure
that market exists, but its hardly a very compelling one.)
If they price it significantly lower it WILL simply cannibalize fm pro
client sales without generating new sales.
End result? I think a thin client will be priced close to where FM Pro
is now, and FM Pro will be bumped up, and FM Advanced will be bumped
up as well. The bottom line, we'll be paying the same for less
functionality, or a bit more to keep what we had.
I wouldn't be too surprised to see other annoyances like thin-client
refusing to connect to a fmpro/advanced "peer" and requiring an "FM
server". I also wouldn't be surprised if thin-client is only available
in 10-pack VLAs.
One area I didn't really address is FM competition. If FM is looking
at really going head to head with 4D etc they may be aligning their
product/pricing structures; so that would be another angle to look at
what FM pricing will end up being. They may well be willing sell thin
client for less than I've suggested if they think it will genuinely
grow the business.
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On May 14, 12:34 am, "Mr. X" <m... (AT) bestdeal (DOT) be> wrote: Is there somebody out there who knows more about this Officially. No. Unofficially... one only needs to look at FM's closest competition, in particular 4D to get an idea of how this will very likely work. and even more interesting... what will be the pricing. That's the killer question. We'd have had this years ago if FM thought it could somehow make money on it. Obviously it *should* be markedly less than filemaker pro, but equally obviously most filemaker users only need a thin client so Filemaker wasn't keen to cannibalize their sales by letting everyone upgrade to a cheaper solution. Worse it makes filemaker pro itself something of a lame duck, that I can't really see many people wanting. I'd expect anyone doing even half-serious development to run advanced. And most users can use 'thin- client' without blinking. Is there enough of a market for a product tier that can do 'most of the design stuff' but not all of it? What would the pricing have to be for a client to make sense? The same as filemaker pro, or close to it?? If they do that, the only people interested in it would be IT admins looking to actively prevent users from creating personal databases on the side or something. (I'm sure that market exists, but its hardly a very compelling one.) If they price it significantly lower it WILL simply cannibalize fm pro client sales without generating new sales. End result? I think a thin client will be priced close to where FM Pro is now, and FM Pro will be bumped up, and FM Advanced will be bumped up as well. The bottom line, we'll be paying the same for less functionality, or a bit more to keep what we had. I wouldn't be too surprised to see other annoyances like thin-client refusing to connect to a fmpro/advanced "peer" and requiring an "FM server". I also wouldn't be surprised if thin-client is only available in 10-pack VLAs. One area I didn't really address is FM competition. If FM is looking at really going head to head with 4D etc they may be aligning their product/pricing structures; so that would be another angle to look at what FM pricing will end up being. They may well be willing sell thin client for less than I've suggested if they think it will genuinely grow the business. |
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But since FM has already announced Microsoft style activation in the near future, they could have a wash (the bottom line equalling out) even if the thin client sells for less. I suspect just about every developer at one time or another has been hammered by a client wanting "just a little help" with a few serial numbers, til we get up and running, you know. As much as I hate activation schemes I'll be glad to have it to put an end to this foolishness. |
computers are connected to the Internet). For example, at one place I
work for when I try to activate Adobe InDesign the website simply times
out (every time), so I have to use the phone number and go through the
idiotic system or slowly punching the number in and waiting for the
electronic voice to tell me the code.
Plus activation will not stop silly people asking you for a serial
number to install an illegal copy of FileMaker, and it won't even stop
those who really want to pirate the software anyway.
Helpful Harry
Hopefully helping harassed humans happily handle handiwork hardships ;o)
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In article <1hy6m6y.1wfd0yx7lvwhsN%bobem... (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net>, bobem... (AT) bellsouth (DOT) net (Bumper) wrote: But since FM has already announced Microsoft style activation in the near future, they could have a wash (the bottom line equalling out) even if the thin client sells for less. I suspect just about every developer at one time or another has been hammered by a client wanting "just a little help" with a few serial numbers, til we get up and running, you know. As much as I hate activation schemes I'll be glad to have it to put an end to this foolishness. Activation is a pain in the "sit-upon" (not to mention that not all computers are connected to the Internet). For example, at one place I work for when I try to activate Adobe InDesign the website simply times out (every time), so I have to use the phone number and go through the idiotic system or slowly punching the number in and waiting for the electronic voice to tell me the code. Plus activation will not stop silly people asking you for a serial number to install an illegal copy of FileMaker, and it won't even stop those who really want to pirate the software anyway. |
stop casual piracy. Sure dedicated hackers can get around ANYTHING,
but activation is hard enough that it actually does work to stop the
casual piracy.
With software that gets frequent upgrades, like windows, choosing to
pirate mandates choosing to either be unpatched or facing a perpetual
rat-race of annoying hacks and being paranoid that you've just
downloaded a virus laden trojan instead of the latest crack.
A lot of people just can be bothered.
Its no longer just using a code you picked up on google during the
install and then never looking back.
So as much as I don't like product activation I believe its effective.
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As an aside, in Microsofts case at least I don't its actually
benefitting them much. The determined are still pirating. And while
its true the casual pirates aren't anymore they aren't buying upgrades
either.
Most simply stick with the win98, or win2k they already have. A few
try a linux like Ubuntu. In the long run most will end up with a copy
of Vista when (if) they buy a new PC but will unlikely ever pay to
upgrade an existing system.
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