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Default Re: [OT] Mac keyboard symbols (was Re: Filemaker 9 password) - 12-11-2010 , 09:08 AM






In article <idu1v4$5n3$1 (AT) lust (DOT) ihug.co.nz>,
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your.name (AT) isp (DOT) com (Your Name) wrote:
In article <1jtaa8g.1rnqus61njatpdN%dempson (AT) actrix (DOT) gen.nz>,
dempson (AT) actrix (DOT) gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
Your Name <your.name (AT) isp (DOT) com> wrote:
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They have an Option Key, a Control key and the "daisy" / "splat"
key.
In fact some keyboards don't even have the first two and use a
silly,
indescribable symbol instead. (

Bathtube key is what I heard.

Even worse is that the keyboard shortcuts are displayed in the menus
(and
Mac magazines) using the silly symbols, but some keyboards don't
have the
symbols, so you're left guessing which keys they mean. \

Finder > Help > Mac Help > Search for "Symbols for special keys"

KeyCaps (and its Mac OS X equivalent) also display the symbols on the
keys.

For those who need it:

System Preferences > International > Input Menu, check the "Character
Palette", "Keyboard Viewer", and "Show input menu in menu bar boxes"

There's also one in the Utilities folder which you can simply put in the
Dock or alias to the Desktop or elsewhere.
Do you mean FontBook.app? I've played with it, but found the character
palette and keyboard viewer more useful.

Quote:
Too bad it doesn't display the character code values, though!

Character code value?? If you mean the ASCII codes, or similar, then there's
little point since so few people would need them or use them.
There are times when creating html pages that it would be really useful!

Quote:
If you're coming from Windows world
Definitely not coming from there!

Norton Utilities for Mac used to come with a nifty alternative to KeyCaps
that had a "programmer mode", which would give you the ASCII character
code in decimal and hex, along with the keyboard equivalent.

There are way more characters defined in unicode, including Santa Claus
(1f385), but it's hard to find if these are actually in a particular
font using either the Character Palette or FontBook. If there's an
easier way, I'd love to hear about it!

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Default Re: [OT] Mac keyboard symbols (was Re: Filemaker 9 password) - 12-11-2010 , 02:31 PM






"David C. Stone" <none (AT) domain (DOT) invalid> wrote

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In article
your.name-1012101321060001 (AT) 203-...dyn.ihug.co.nz>,
your.name (AT) isp (DOT) com (Your Name) wrote:
In article <1jtaa8g.1rnqus61njatpdN%dempson (AT) actrix (DOT) gen.nz>,
dempson (AT) actrix (DOT) gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:
Your Name <your.name (AT) isp (DOT) com> wrote:
"Christoph Kaufmann" <clk (AT) tele2 (DOT) ch> wrote in message
news:1jt81d3.1kpb20919lnx0aN%clk (AT) tele2 (DOT) ch...
Your Name <your.name (AT) isp (DOT) com> wrote:

They have an Option Key, a Control key and the "daisy" /
"splat"
key.
In fact some keyboards don't even have the first two and use
a
silly,
indescribable symbol instead. (

Bathtube key is what I heard.

Even worse is that the keyboard shortcuts are displayed in the
menus
(and
Mac magazines) using the silly symbols, but some keyboards don't
have the
symbols, so you're left guessing which keys they mean. \

Finder > Help > Mac Help > Search for "Symbols for special keys"

KeyCaps (and its Mac OS X equivalent) also display the symbols on
the
keys.

For those who need it:

System Preferences > International > Input Menu, check the "Character
Palette", "Keyboard Viewer", and "Show input menu in menu bar boxes"

There's also one in the Utilities folder which you can simply put in the
Dock or alias to the Desktop or elsewhere.

Do you mean FontBook.app? I've played with it, but found the character
palette and keyboard viewer more useful.
Nope, I can't remember what it's called, but I'm sure there's an updated
version of KeyCaps and shows the keyboard and the characters each key will
give you as you hold down the various keys. It's somewhere in the
Applications folder (or possibly in the Utilities folder) ... or at least
used to be, but may depend on what version of OS X you're using.



Quote:
Too bad it doesn't display the character code values, though!

Character code value?? If you mean the ASCII codes, or similar, then
there's
little point since so few people would need them or use them.

There are times when creating html pages that it would be really useful!
I think if you just type the "letter" into Dreamweaver and it'll convert it
for you, no doubt other WYSIWYAG (What You See Is What You ALMOST Get) web
page applications do as well. I know curly quotes, copyright symbols, etc.
do that, but it may not work for more obsucre characters. )

But in reality it is a feature that few people need, so Apple is unlikely to
add it. There's probably some shareware / freeware options around though.


Quote:
If you're coming from Windows world

Definitely not coming from there!

Norton Utilities for Mac used to come with a nifty alternative to KeyCaps
that had a "programmer mode", which would give you the ASCII character
code in decimal and hex, along with the keyboard equivalent.

There are way more characters defined in unicode, including Santa Claus
(1f385), but it's hard to find if these are actually in a particular
font using either the Character Palette or FontBook. If there's an
easier way, I'd love to hear about it!
Microsoft Word has the Insert -> Glyphs option that displays characters, but
it's not really any different to the Character Palette.

Helpful Harry )

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Default Re: [OT] Mac keyboard symbols (was Re: Filemaker 9 password) - 12-12-2010 , 12:17 AM



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In article <idu1v4$5n3$1 (AT) lust (DOT) ihug.co.nz>,
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For those who need it:

System Preferences > International > Input Menu, check the
"Character
Palette", "Keyboard Viewer", and "Show input menu in menu bar boxes"

There's also one in the Utilities folder which you can simply put in
the
Dock or alias to the Desktop or elsewhere.

Do you mean FontBook.app? I've played with it, but found the character
palette and keyboard viewer more useful.

Nope, I can't remember what it's called, but I'm sure there's an updated
version of KeyCaps and shows the keyboard and the characters each key will
give you as you hold down the various keys. It's somewhere in the
Applications folder (or possibly in the Utilities folder) ... or at least
used to be, but may depend on what version of OS X you're using.
I checked my Mac earlier, and in Mac OS X 10.1 it's still called KeyCaps and
is in the Applications -> Utilities folder ... and hasn't really been
updated. The only real problem with KeyCaps is that the keys are so small on
large monitors that you can't really see what the characters are. ( Apple
should update the application so you can stretch the window and the keys get
bigger.

Helpful Harry )

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David Empson
 
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Default Re: [OT] Mac keyboard symbols - 12-12-2010 , 02:26 PM



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In article <idu1v4$5n3$1 (AT) lust (DOT) ihug.co.nz>,
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For those who need it:

System Preferences > International > Input Menu, check the
"Character
Palette", "Keyboard Viewer", and "Show input menu in menu bar boxes"

There's also one in the Utilities folder which you can simply put in
the
Dock or alias to the Desktop or elsewhere.

Do you mean FontBook.app? I've played with it, but found the character
palette and keyboard viewer more useful.

Nope, I can't remember what it's called, but I'm sure there's an updated
version of KeyCaps and shows the keyboard and the characters each key will
give you as you hold down the various keys. It's somewhere in the
Applications folder (or possibly in the Utilities folder) ... or at least
used to be, but may depend on what version of OS X you're using.

I checked my Mac earlier, and in Mac OS X 10.1 it's still called KeyCaps and
is in the Applications -> Utilities folder ... and hasn't really been
updated. The only real problem with KeyCaps is that the keys are so small on
large monitors that you can't really see what the characters are. ( Apple
should update the application so you can stretch the window and the keys get
bigger.
They did. Keyboard Viewer in Snow Leopard can be resized. You're only
eight years behind the times. :-) Earlier versions can be doubled in
size with the green button in the title bar.

It is located in "/System/Library/Input Methods" but doesn't appear if
launched directly. It is easy enough to display it from the Input menu.

--
David Empson
dempson (AT) actrix (DOT) gen.nz

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Default Re: [OT] Mac keyboard symbols - 12-12-2010 , 06:16 PM



In article <1jtel1s.10hcvzvdkplgmN%dempson (AT) actrix (DOT) gen.nz>,
dempson (AT) actrix (DOT) gen.nz (David Empson) wrote:

Quote:
Your Name <your.name (AT) isp (DOT) com> wrote:

"Your Name" <your.name (AT) isp (DOT) com> wrote in message
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"David C. Stone" <none (AT) domain (DOT) invalid> wrote in message
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In article <idu1v4$5n3$1 (AT) lust (DOT) ihug.co.nz>,
"Your Name" <your.name (AT) isp (DOT) com> wrote:
"David Stone" <no.email (AT) domain (DOT) invalid> wrote in message
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For those who need it:

System Preferences > International > Input Menu, check the
"Character
Palette", "Keyboard Viewer", and "Show input menu in menu bar boxes"

There's also one in the Utilities folder which you can simply put in
the
Dock or alias to the Desktop or elsewhere.

Do you mean FontBook.app? I've played with it, but found the character
palette and keyboard viewer more useful.

Nope, I can't remember what it's called, but I'm sure there's an updated
version of KeyCaps and shows the keyboard and the characters each key will
give you as you hold down the various keys. It's somewhere in the
Applications folder (or possibly in the Utilities folder) ... or at least
used to be, but may depend on what version of OS X you're using.

I checked my Mac earlier, and in Mac OS X 10.1 it's still called KeyCaps and
is in the Applications -> Utilities folder ... and hasn't really been
updated. The only real problem with KeyCaps is that the keys are so small on
large monitors that you can't really see what the characters are. ( Apple
should update the application so you can stretch the window and the keys get
bigger.

They did. Keyboard Viewer in Snow Leopard can be resized. You're only
eight years behind the times. :-) Earlier versions can be doubled in
size with the green button in the title bar.
Thanks, that does work on my old version. See, you learn something every
day. That's handy, although it's still too small to see what most of the
wingding / dingbat fonts actually are.

Helpful Harry )

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