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Default Pervasive / Terminal server And Netware 6.5 - 11-09-2004 , 03:03 AM






Hi all,

We have some problems with pervasive 8.5 workgroup and a terminal server.
Our configuration is as follows:

'Workstation'
- Windows 2000 terminal server SP4
- Pervasive 8.5 workgroup
- Novell Netware client 4.90 SP2 with 49psp_c installed
- Magic 8.3
- Zen ZfD 4.0.1
- Workstation manager.

'Database Server'
- Netware 6.5
- Pervasive 8.5 Server

Here is the problem:
About once a day the terminal server stops working. Everyone using the Magic
with the Pervasive database hangs and the connection gets terminated. When
the user tries to login again, the Novell Client does not go any futher as
the Animated Novell Icon.
When the user tries to login with 'Workstation Only' enabled, the user can
login normaly. But the user cannot use magic with Pervasive at that time
because there is no Netware connection.
Users witch wore working in Word or Excel does not get terminated and can
still save theire work. But the user cannot start Magic with Pervasive if
the server is in the 'problem state'. If they do so, theire session hangs.

After disabling the Novell Workstation Manager ( found in a Novell TID ).
The problem is still there.

For now the only solution is to reboot the server.

Hope, anyone of you has an idea.

Regards,
Eric Brongers



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Bill Bach
 
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Default Re: Pervasive / Terminal server And Netware 6.5 - 11-11-2004 , 08:47 AM






We have been researching a problem with the Novell Client v4.90 SP2 whereby the
"workstation" (in your case, the term server) hangs or crashes.

The problem is more severe with the 4.90 SP1a client, and we've been able to
write a simple application that rapidly opens & closes database files on the
server -- and it actually rebooted a WinXP workstation while running -- pretty
nasty. This same app didn't fail on the SP2 (with Sept patches) client version.

Interestingly, the Pervasive.SQL 2000i client does NOT seem to suffer from the
same problem, and this tends to work a lot better, even to a V8.6 server,
although you have to disable the "version mismatch" warning message to avoid
annoying the users.

While I fully believe that the problem is in the Novell Client software itself,
there is definitely a difference between the PSQL2000i client and the PSQLV8.6
client that makes one crash and the other work just fine. I've submitted my
test data to Pervasive, but it seems they have not been able to devote a lot of
time on this problem. Pervasive's support group has been unable to provide any
ideas on where to go next, and this incident has been open for too long now.

Unfortunately, I've got several customers experiencing pain on this issue, and
I'm just about ready to give up on it, because Pervasive has not been able to
make any progress. We are getting to the point where will will refuse to sell
any more Pervasive.SQL V8.6 engines for NetWare until this problem can be
resolved.

In short, try the PSQL2000i client & see if that works better for you.
Otherwise, we'll all need to wait until Novell and Pervasive get their heads
together and figure this one out.
Goldstar Software Inc.
Building on Btrieve(R) for the Future(SM)
Bill Bach
BillBach (AT) goldstarsoftware (DOT) com
http://www.goldstarsoftware.com
*** Pervasive.SQL Service & Support Classes ***
Chicago: November 16-19, 2004: See our web site for details!



Eric Brongers wrote:

Quote:
Hi all,

We have some problems with pervasive 8.5 workgroup and a terminal server.
Our configuration is as follows:

'Workstation'
- Windows 2000 terminal server SP4
- Pervasive 8.5 workgroup
- Novell Netware client 4.90 SP2 with 49psp_c installed
- Magic 8.3
- Zen ZfD 4.0.1
- Workstation manager.

'Database Server'
- Netware 6.5
- Pervasive 8.5 Server

Here is the problem:
About once a day the terminal server stops working. Everyone using the Magic
with the Pervasive database hangs and the connection gets terminated. When
the user tries to login again, the Novell Client does not go any futher as
the Animated Novell Icon.
When the user tries to login with 'Workstation Only' enabled, the user can
login normaly. But the user cannot use magic with Pervasive at that time
because there is no Netware connection.
Users witch wore working in Word or Excel does not get terminated and can
still save theire work. But the user cannot start Magic with Pervasive if
the server is in the 'problem state'. If they do so, theire session hangs.

After disabling the Novell Workstation Manager ( found in a Novell TID ).
The problem is still there.

For now the only solution is to reboot the server.

Hope, anyone of you has an idea.

Regards,
Eric Brongers


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Eric Brongers
 
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Default Re: Pervasive / Terminal server And Netware 6.5 - 11-11-2004 , 09:57 AM



Bill,

at this moment we are testing at 2 server. One is in the original
configuration. with Pervasive 8.6 and the netware client 4.90SP2. I have
tested the new beta client from Novell. But that makes the situation even
more worse.

The other server is running novell client 4.83SP3 and pervasive 7.0 for now
this Terminal Server works oke. But I just installed it so tomorrow I know
more I hope.

Differance between the two versions:

With Pervasive 8.6 at the terminal server the manager w3dbsmgr must be
started as a service. This is not done by the installation but with a
special tool from pervasive.
Looks like on a terminal server the w3dbsmgr is started once in the memory
and all other users are using the same instance. I guess here lies the
problem / memory leak or something.

Perhaps, we can both discripe our problem to pervasive and hope that they
will hurry with a solution. We just bought version 8.5 but we did not like
it so far.

I also posted the messages on the netware news groups, hope they read it.

Reguards,
Eric Brongers



"Bill Bach" <bbach (AT) cncdsl (DOT) com> schreef in bericht
news:41937BC4.C90346C (AT) cncdsl (DOT) com...
Quote:
We have been researching a problem with the Novell Client v4.90 SP2
whereby the
"workstation" (in your case, the term server) hangs or crashes.

The problem is more severe with the 4.90 SP1a client, and we've been able
to
write a simple application that rapidly opens & closes database files on
the
server -- and it actually rebooted a WinXP workstation while running --
pretty
nasty. This same app didn't fail on the SP2 (with Sept patches) client
version.

Interestingly, the Pervasive.SQL 2000i client does NOT seem to suffer from
the
same problem, and this tends to work a lot better, even to a V8.6 server,
although you have to disable the "version mismatch" warning message to
avoid
annoying the users.

While I fully believe that the problem is in the Novell Client software
itself,
there is definitely a difference between the PSQL2000i client and the
PSQLV8.6
client that makes one crash and the other work just fine. I've submitted
my
test data to Pervasive, but it seems they have not been able to devote a
lot of
time on this problem. Pervasive's support group has been unable to
provide any
ideas on where to go next, and this incident has been open for too long
now.

Unfortunately, I've got several customers experiencing pain on this issue,
and
I'm just about ready to give up on it, because Pervasive has not been able
to
make any progress. We are getting to the point where will will refuse to
sell
any more Pervasive.SQL V8.6 engines for NetWare until this problem can be
resolved.

In short, try the PSQL2000i client & see if that works better for you.
Otherwise, we'll all need to wait until Novell and Pervasive get their
heads
together and figure this one out.
Goldstar Software Inc.
Building on Btrieve(R) for the Future(SM)
Bill Bach
BillBach (AT) goldstarsoftware (DOT) com
http://www.goldstarsoftware.com
*** Pervasive.SQL Service & Support Classes ***
Chicago: November 16-19, 2004: See our web site for details!



Eric Brongers wrote:

Hi all,

We have some problems with pervasive 8.5 workgroup and a terminal
server.
Our configuration is as follows:

'Workstation'
- Windows 2000 terminal server SP4
- Pervasive 8.5 workgroup
- Novell Netware client 4.90 SP2 with 49psp_c installed
- Magic 8.3
- Zen ZfD 4.0.1
- Workstation manager.

'Database Server'
- Netware 6.5
- Pervasive 8.5 Server

Here is the problem:
About once a day the terminal server stops working. Everyone using the
Magic
with the Pervasive database hangs and the connection gets terminated.
When
the user tries to login again, the Novell Client does not go any futher
as
the Animated Novell Icon.
When the user tries to login with 'Workstation Only' enabled, the user
can
login normaly. But the user cannot use magic with Pervasive at that time
because there is no Netware connection.
Users witch wore working in Word or Excel does not get terminated and
can
still save theire work. But the user cannot start Magic with Pervasive
if
the server is in the 'problem state'. If they do so, theire session
hangs.

After disabling the Novell Workstation Manager ( found in a Novell
TID ).
The problem is still there.

For now the only solution is to reboot the server.

Hope, anyone of you has an idea.

Regards,
Eric Brongers




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