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Michael \(michka\) Kaplan [MS]
 
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Default Re: Table relationships lost when ran splitting wizard. WHY? - 01-26-2004 , 05:42 PM






"Stephen Lebans" <ForEmailGotoMy.WebSite.-WWWdotlebansdotcom (AT) linvalid (DOT) com>
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Just as an add-in to this thread there is a utility on my site that
allows you to save/restore multiple views of the Relationship window.
http://www.lebans.com/saverelationshipview.htm
NEW - Jan 21/2004 A2KSave-RestoreRelationshipWindow.zip is an MDB
containing functions to Save and Restore the Relationships View Window.
Allows an unlimited number of different Relationship Window Views to be
saved.

Here is the Access97 version:A97Save-RestoreRelationshipWindow.zip

Very clever! Though you could have saved a bunch of time using the built in
Access methods for storing different views by using the SysRel utility I
wrote. :-)


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Stephen Lebans
 
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Default Re: Table relationships lost when ran splitting wizard. WHY? - 01-26-2004 , 07:10 PM






I actually wanted to go that route Michael but you have not published
the Source code!<grin>
The code only took an hour or so and I enjoyed the mental exercise.
:-)
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"Michael (michka) Kaplan [MS]" <michkap (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
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"Stephen Lebans"
ForEmailGotoMy.WebSite.-WWWdotlebans...alid (DOT) com
wrote

Just as an add-in to this thread there is a utility on my site that
allows you to save/restore multiple views of the Relationship
window.
http://www.lebans.com/saverelationshipview.htm
NEW - Jan 21/2004 A2KSave-RestoreRelationshipWindow.zip is an MDB
containing functions to Save and Restore the Relationships View
Window.
Allows an unlimited number of different Relationship Window Views to
be
saved.

Here is the Access97 version:A97Save-RestoreRelationshipWindow.zip


Very clever! Though you could have saved a bunch of time using the
built in
Access methods for storing different views by using the SysRel utility
I
wrote. :-)


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Stephen Lebans
 
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Default Re: Table relationships lost when ran splitting wizard. WHY? - 01-26-2004 , 10:23 PM



Michael I finally took a look at the BLOB data in the MSysObjects table.
I was able to decipher the indvidual window coordinates from the data.
Without voiding any NDA you are under can you tell me if the location of
the window coordinates are fixed/static across all versions of Access?
Or do I need to continue to decipher the header for this BLOB?
For anyone interested the relevant BLOB is in the MSysObjects table. The
desired row has a NAME field = "ADMIN".

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Stephen Lebans
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Please respond only to the newsgroups so everyone can benefit.


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I actually wanted to go that route Michael but you have not published
the Source code!<grin
The code only took an hour or so and I enjoyed the mental exercise.
:-)
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Stephen Lebans
http://www.lebans.com
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Please respond only to the newsgroups so everyone can benefit.


"Michael (michka) Kaplan [MS]" <michkap (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
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"Stephen Lebans"
ForEmailGotoMy.WebSite.-WWWdotlebans...alid (DOT) com
wrote in message
news:AAWQb.73411$IF6.1865635 (AT) ursa-nb00s0 (DOT) nbnet.nb.ca...
Just as an add-in to this thread there is a utility on my site
that
allows you to save/restore multiple views of the Relationship
window.
http://www.lebans.com/saverelationshipview.htm
NEW - Jan 21/2004 A2KSave-RestoreRelationshipWindow.zip is an
MDB
containing functions to Save and Restore the Relationships View
Window.
Allows an unlimited number of different Relationship Window Views
to
be
saved.

Here is the Access97 version:A97Save-RestoreRelationshipWindow.zip


Very clever! Though you could have saved a bunch of time using the
built in
Access methods for storing different views by using the SysRel
utility
I
wrote. :-)


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Michael \(michka\) Kaplan [MS]
 
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Default Re: Table relationships lost when ran splitting wizard. WHY? - 01-28-2004 , 09:11 AM



"Stephen Lebans" <ForEmailGotoMy.WebSite.-WWWdotlebansdotcom (AT) linvalid (DOT) com>
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I actually wanted to go that route Michael but you have not published
the Source code!<grin
Ah, I am not allowed to do that. The decipher code was easy enough, but the
writing to the system table is not something I am allowed to release as
source (though in the past I have licensed DLL versions for easy calling
from other tools <grin>),


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Michael \(michka\) Kaplan [MS]
 
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Default Re: Table relationships lost when ran splitting wizard. WHY? - 01-28-2004 , 09:14 AM



"Stephen Lebans" <ForEmailGotoMy.WebSite.-WWWdotlebansdotcom (AT) linvalid (DOT) com>
wrote...

Quote:
Michael I finally took a look at the BLOB data in the MSysObjects table.
I was able to decipher the indvidual window coordinates from the data.
Without voiding any NDA you are under can you tell me if the location of
the window coordinates are fixed/static across all versions of Access?
Or do I need to continue to decipher the header for this BLOB?
Well, its no NDA violation since I dod not know if they ever plan to change
this. Of course, if they do then they have a wizard to update (the Print
Relationships wizard), so they may well keep it stable.

Quote:
For anyone interested the relevant BLOB is in the MSysObjects table. The
desired row has a NAME field = "ADMIN".
Actually, it is whatever user name is the person looking at the
relationships window (thats why SysRel lets you save it under any name at
all).


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Stephen Lebans
 
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Default Re: Table relationships lost when ran splitting wizard. WHY? - 01-28-2004 , 11:23 AM



Thanks for the info Michael.
:-)

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Stephen Lebans
http://www.lebans.com
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Please respond only to the newsgroups so everyone can benefit.


"Michael (michka) Kaplan [MS]" <michkap (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
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Quote:
"Stephen Lebans"
ForEmailGotoMy.WebSite.-WWWdotlebans...alid (DOT) com
wrote...

Michael I finally took a look at the BLOB data in the MSysObjects
table.
I was able to decipher the indvidual window coordinates from the
data.
Without voiding any NDA you are under can you tell me if the
location of
the window coordinates are fixed/static across all versions of
Access?
Or do I need to continue to decipher the header for this BLOB?

Well, its no NDA violation since I dod not know if they ever plan to
change
this. Of course, if they do then they have a wizard to update (the
Print
Relationships wizard), so they may well keep it stable.

For anyone interested the relevant BLOB is in the MSysObjects table.
The
desired row has a NAME field = "ADMIN".

Actually, it is whatever user name is the person looking at the
relationships window (thats why SysRel lets you save it under any name
at
all).


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Stephen Lebans
 
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Default Re: Table relationships lost when ran splitting wizard. WHY? - 01-28-2004 , 11:25 AM



Well since I am not able to write to the system tables I will have to
keep my current method and use DoCmd to Save the current RelationShip
View to the system table.
Thanks Michael.
:-)
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Stephen Lebans
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"Michael (michka) Kaplan [MS]" <michkap (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote in
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Quote:
"Stephen Lebans"
ForEmailGotoMy.WebSite.-WWWdotlebans...alid (DOT) com
wrote...

I actually wanted to go that route Michael but you have not
published
the Source code!<grin

Ah, I am not allowed to do that. The decipher code was easy enough,
but the
writing to the system table is not something I am allowed to release
as
source (though in the past I have licensed DLL versions for easy
calling
from other tools <grin>),


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Tony Toews
 
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Default Re: Table relationships lost when ran splitting wizard. WHY? - 01-28-2004 , 01:11 PM



"Michael \(michka\) Kaplan [MS]" <michkap (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote:

Quote:
For anyone interested the relevant BLOB is in the MSysObjects table. The
desired row has a NAME field = "ADMIN".

Actually, it is whatever user name is the person looking at the
relationships window (thats why SysRel lets you save it under any name at
all).
Ah, yes, I recall a tip from someone, somewhere who stated that if you wanted a
different relationships view to logon to Access using a different userid.

Tony
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Tony Toews
 
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Default Re: Table relationships lost when ran splitting wizard. WHY? - 01-28-2004 , 01:14 PM



"Stephen Lebans" <ForEmailGotoMy.WebSite.-WWWdotlebansdotcom (AT) linvalid (DOT) com> wrote:

Quote:
Well since I am not able to write to the system tables I will have to
keep my current method and use DoCmd to Save the current RelationShip
View to the system table.
Well, yeah, but there's got to be some way of updating the system tables. After all
Michael can do it inside VB in his sysrels utility.

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Michael \(michka\) Kaplan [MS]
 
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Default Re: Table relationships lost when ran splitting wizard. WHY? - 01-29-2004 , 07:09 AM



Or you can use my utility to save different views....


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"Tony Toews" <ttoews (AT) telusplanet (DOT) net> wrote

Quote:
"Michael \(michka\) Kaplan [MS]" <michkap (AT) online (DOT) microsoft.com> wrote:

For anyone interested the relevant BLOB is in the MSysObjects table.
The
desired row has a NAME field = "ADMIN".

Actually, it is whatever user name is the person looking at the
relationships window (thats why SysRel lets you save it under any name at
all).

Ah, yes, I recall a tip from someone, somewhere who stated that if you
wanted a
different relationships view to logon to Access using a different userid.

Tony
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Please respond only in the newsgroups so that others can
read the entire thread of messages.
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